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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 9522620" data-attributes="member: 710"><p>I don't think that follows at all. Real world people have people respecting and admiring them even though they are all mortal. Why would it be so different for gods, who are actually really, really hard to kill and have enormous powers?</p><p></p><p>And adventurers that can kill gods aren't that common. On their way to get that power, they likely gained admiration and worship as well (or, be feared). I agree that if it's possible, it probably already happened. But isn't that also part of several settings and real world mythologies, how some hero gained godhood by ursupring a god?</p><p>Heck, isn't one common origin story about Asmodeus in D&D that he was some kind of angel or exarch, betrayed and killed his god, and ascended to godhood? Angels aren't "mere mortals", but Angels have have been killable by adventurers in pretty much any setting, so if mortals can kill angels, and angels can kill gods, maybe mortals can also kill angels.</p><p></p><p>In the end, it's a pure setting decision what you allow or not allow.</p><p></p><p>Though of course, having stats for gods doesn't mean they can be actually killed. You just give them a stat called "Immortal Deity": "If reduced to 0 hit points, they immediatey regain all hit points." or "Divine Resistance: A god takes no damage from attacks and spells from creatures without the Deity subtype, and succeeds all saving throws against spells from non-Deities" or whatever. Then you can have gods and demigods killing each other (definitely a thing in some pantheons), but no mortals killing them.</p><p></p><p>I guess stats can also have other purposes - like figuring out what can a deity actually do? How likely is it for them to know stuff? What kind of lies can Thor get away with? What could Asmodeus or Loki get away with? Would Pelor see through a ruse by the Rogue? Could a Bard's brilliant performance catch Thor's full attention? Can the Ranger sneak up on the Raven Queen? Can the Thief steal fire from the gods?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 9522620, member: 710"] I don't think that follows at all. Real world people have people respecting and admiring them even though they are all mortal. Why would it be so different for gods, who are actually really, really hard to kill and have enormous powers? And adventurers that can kill gods aren't that common. On their way to get that power, they likely gained admiration and worship as well (or, be feared). I agree that if it's possible, it probably already happened. But isn't that also part of several settings and real world mythologies, how some hero gained godhood by ursupring a god? Heck, isn't one common origin story about Asmodeus in D&D that he was some kind of angel or exarch, betrayed and killed his god, and ascended to godhood? Angels aren't "mere mortals", but Angels have have been killable by adventurers in pretty much any setting, so if mortals can kill angels, and angels can kill gods, maybe mortals can also kill angels. In the end, it's a pure setting decision what you allow or not allow. Though of course, having stats for gods doesn't mean they can be actually killed. You just give them a stat called "Immortal Deity": "If reduced to 0 hit points, they immediatey regain all hit points." or "Divine Resistance: A god takes no damage from attacks and spells from creatures without the Deity subtype, and succeeds all saving throws against spells from non-Deities" or whatever. Then you can have gods and demigods killing each other (definitely a thing in some pantheons), but no mortals killing them. I guess stats can also have other purposes - like figuring out what can a deity actually do? How likely is it for them to know stuff? What kind of lies can Thor get away with? What could Asmodeus or Loki get away with? Would Pelor see through a ruse by the Rogue? Could a Bard's brilliant performance catch Thor's full attention? Can the Ranger sneak up on the Raven Queen? Can the Thief steal fire from the gods? [/QUOTE]
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