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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 8945229" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>So, let us lay out a couple of things there.</p><p></p><p>"Troll" is a personal assessment, not a "fact". That they "attacked" (or at least said negative things about) others might be established as fact. </p><p></p><p>That a person said bad things about others does not <em>factually</em> make it that they shouldn't also be viewed with some respect for their accomplishments. Most people are flawed. We each have some personal guidelines as to when those flaws dump someone in the dustbin of history. As those are <em>personal</em> guidelines, they are not "fact".</p><p></p><p>As for invention - the existence of a prior example of a thing does not establish that someone else didn't come up with largely the same thing on their own. Two people can both invent the same thing, and in fact this happens often - Moderna and Pfizer both invented mRNA covid vaccines. Newton and Leibnitz both developed calculus separately, and so on.</p><p></p><p>"I was not the first do do this" does not mean "I didn't comes up with it on my own", which is the core of invention. It would take some evidence to <em>factually</em> establish that the person explicitly used the prior example for their own work.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 8945229, member: 177"] So, let us lay out a couple of things there. "Troll" is a personal assessment, not a "fact". That they "attacked" (or at least said negative things about) others might be established as fact. That a person said bad things about others does not [I]factually[/I] make it that they shouldn't also be viewed with some respect for their accomplishments. Most people are flawed. We each have some personal guidelines as to when those flaws dump someone in the dustbin of history. As those are [I]personal[/I] guidelines, they are not "fact". As for invention - the existence of a prior example of a thing does not establish that someone else didn't come up with largely the same thing on their own. Two people can both invent the same thing, and in fact this happens often - Moderna and Pfizer both invented mRNA covid vaccines. Newton and Leibnitz both developed calculus separately, and so on. "I was not the first do do this" does not mean "I didn't comes up with it on my own", which is the core of invention. It would take some evidence to [I]factually[/I] establish that the person explicitly used the prior example for their own work. [/QUOTE]
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