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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8524663" data-attributes="member: 29398">The way to reduce sameyness is simple, but will annoy those players who want their characters to be able to "do it all":Hard-coded and heavily-protected niches for each class.  Get rid of feats and spells and sub-class combos that allow one class to do the job of another.  Maybe get rid of a few classes as well, if there's not enough significant niches to go around.  Maybe where possible give each class kind of a sub-niche as well; an example might be Rangers are the best at outdoorsy stuff, then Druids are half as good, and everyone else is poor at it but not hopeless (in mechanical terms, odds of success at outdoors-activity-X might be 90%, 50% and 10% for those three categories).End result: each character is really good at its niche and not very good at most other things, meaning you ideally need a group of characters (i.e. a party) covering off for each others' weaknesses in order to be more successful at adventuring.  Yes this might need bigger parties in order to cover all the bases.Changing up something as basic as saving throws might reduce the sameyness from the DM side but from the players' side it won't change a thing - you still need to roll the die and hit the target number.</blockquote>