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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8529869" data-attributes="member: 6987520">[USER=7030132]@Ixal[/USER] and [USER=7034645]@Cruentus[/USER] I completely agree. For people who don't want roles, IMO D&amp;D is not the game for you. Having classes more or less is supposed to dictate what role you want to play. I am fine with some overlap. A paladin can fight and heal, an eldritch knight can fight and cast spells, a bard can do a bit of everything, but should be as good as the other classes at any of them, etc.We played AD&amp;D often without a dedicated healer, so even then such things weren't a requirement.Anyway, one thing I've added to 5E to help &quot;define&quot; roles is a focus bonus equal to (roughly) half your proficiency bonus (so +1 to +3). You can choose to focus in:Abilities. Add bonus to ability checks, including Initiative.Combat. Add bonus to attack rolls and armor class.Spells. Add bonus to spell attack rolls and spell save DC.Obviously, often players choose the &quot;logical&quot; choice for their class, but you can choose any, such as a Fighter choose spells so when get becomes an Eldritch Knight, or a Ranger choose Abilities to be better at skills than combat, etc.Finally, I have been debating about going more &quot;basic&quot; with redoing four core classes (inspired by 5TD):Expert (subclasses Bard, Monk, Rogue)Magus (subclasses Druid, Sorcerer, Wizard)Warrior (subclasses Barbarian, Fighter, Ranger)Zealot (subclasses Cleric, Paladin, Warlock)I plan to group the features from all the subclasses for each class into the new subclasses, and instead of a character always getting the same features in the same order, they get to choose from about a dozen or more. It is a new project so it will take some time. Hopefully anyone looking for something more basic or defined will find it interesting.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 8529869, member: 6987520"] [USER=7030132]@Ixal[/USER] and [USER=7034645]@Cruentus[/USER] I completely agree. For people who don't want roles, IMO D&D is not the game for you. Having classes more or less is supposed to dictate what role you want to play. I am fine with [I]some[/I] overlap. A paladin can fight and heal, an eldritch knight can fight and cast spells, a bard can do a bit of everything, but should be as good as the other classes at any of them, etc. We played AD&D often without a dedicated healer, so even then such things weren't a requirement. Anyway, one thing I've added to 5E to help "define" roles is a [I]focus bonus[/I] equal to (roughly) half your proficiency bonus (so +1 to +3). You can choose to focus in: [B][I]Abilities.[/I][/B] Add bonus to ability checks, including Initiative. [B][I]Combat.[/I][/B] Add bonus to attack rolls and armor class. [B][I]Spells.[/I][/B] Add bonus to spell attack rolls and spell save DC. Obviously, often players choose the "logical" choice for their class, but you can choose any, such as a Fighter choose spells so when get becomes an Eldritch Knight, or a Ranger choose Abilities to be better at skills than combat, etc. Finally, I have been debating about going more "basic" with redoing four core classes (inspired by 5TD): Expert (subclasses Bard, Monk, Rogue) Magus (subclasses Druid, Sorcerer, Wizard) Warrior (subclasses Barbarian, Fighter, Ranger) Zealot (subclasses Cleric, Paladin, Warlock) I plan to group the features from all the subclasses for each class into the new subclasses, and instead of a character always getting the same features in the same order, they get to choose from about a dozen or more. It is a new project so it will take some time. Hopefully anyone looking for something more basic or defined will find it interesting. [/QUOTE]

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