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<blockquote data-quote="Al" data-source="post: 253268" data-attributes="member: 2486">Granted, but this does presume that you get the ideal stats.&nbsp; If you're going to be a paladin, you'll want decent Strength and Constitution (to bash the bad guys), and decent Wisdom and Charisma (to cast spells and use abilities).&nbsp; If you're demanded high Intelligence AS WELL, then something has to buckle- making the paladin less good in his primary roles.&nbsp; Further, since there is neither a Wis prereq. nor a Cha prereq., paladins can (conceivably) have a low score in these.&nbsp; It is hypocrisy to claim that 'Paladins need a high Int to inspire' yet allowing them to have 1 charisma.&nbsp; 18 Int and 1 Charisma is less inspiring than 12 Int and 20 Charisma, but the former qualifies and the latter doesn't.&nbsp;Arguable.&nbsp; I cited numerous examples of great leaders with less-than-high Intelligence.&nbsp; You failed to deal with them.&nbsp; Low Intelligence is, granted, uninspiring, but low Wisdom and/or low Charisma will be even less so.&nbsp; To claim that leaders cannot have low (or even average- or even merely just above average) Int is, historically, bunkum.&nbsp;Please justify.&nbsp;Again, this is nonsense.&nbsp; The Hospitaller is a holy warrior dedicated to helping the needy and resolving disputes by diplomacy first and force of arms second.&nbsp; How does this differs from the proposed paladin class?&nbsp; Spells, turning undead, laying on hands- the Hospitaller practically *is* the paladin prestige class.&nbsp; If you want to go for a bit more evil-smiting, pick up Templar instead.&nbsp; The Paladin prestige class has no niche- that is why roleplayers would not take it: the 'concept' you are so keen on is already covered, and by prestige classes which are mechanically superior.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Al, post: 253268, member: 2486"] Granted, but this does presume that you get the ideal stats. If you're going to be a paladin, you'll want decent Strength and Constitution (to bash the bad guys), and decent Wisdom and Charisma (to cast spells and use abilities). If you're demanded high Intelligence AS WELL, then something has to buckle- making the paladin less good in his primary roles. Further, since there is neither a Wis prereq. nor a Cha prereq., paladins can (conceivably) have a low score in these. It is hypocrisy to claim that 'Paladins need a high Int to inspire' yet allowing them to have 1 charisma. 18 Int and 1 Charisma is less inspiring than 12 Int and 20 Charisma, but the former qualifies and the latter doesn't. Arguable. I cited numerous examples of great leaders with less-than-high Intelligence. You failed to deal with them. Low Intelligence is, granted, uninspiring, but low Wisdom and/or low Charisma will be even less so. To claim that leaders cannot have low (or even average- or even merely just above average) Int is, historically, bunkum. Please justify. Again, this is nonsense. The Hospitaller is a holy warrior dedicated to helping the needy and resolving disputes by diplomacy first and force of arms second. How does this differs from the proposed paladin class? Spells, turning undead, laying on hands- the Hospitaller practically *is* the paladin prestige class. If you want to go for a bit more evil-smiting, pick up Templar instead. The Paladin prestige class has no niche- that is why roleplayers would not take it: the 'concept' you are so keen on is already covered, and by prestige classes which are mechanically superior. [/QUOTE]

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