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<blockquote data-quote="Lily Inverse" data-source="post: 259669" data-attributes="member: 4594"><p>Sonofapreacherman </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Let me spell this out for you in no uncertain terms. I am going to try to sum up the entire argument against this prestiege class in a few paragraphs.</p><p></p><p>1) You have repeatedly stated, over and over, that Int should be a prerequisite of Paladinhood. However, this brings up the number of required "Good" stats to five. Not even the BEST published PrCs have these kinds of requirements. Furthermore, you have also set up this class so that the ONLY requirement is Intelligence. This means that a paladin can be either foolish, weak, sickly, or a bumpkin, but he MUST be fairly intelligent. I won't get into the numbers again, but unless you're running some kind of supermen campaign, I have only seen two characters who meet your requirement AND can put up even a halfway decent fight in eight years. And when you're stuck generating new characters every other week along with seven other people for a few years, that's saying something.</p><p></p><p>2) PrC's should offer at least as much as going the stragiht-up route. Your Paladin does not. It makes absolutely no sense to become a Paladin even if you are already the type of person who acts like one. Indeed, your Intelligence argument is counterintuitive in the face of this fact, for it would take a remarkable lack of forethought to actually take a level of this class.</p><p></p><p>3) You created this class as an opposite to the Blackguard. The only problem is, as has been pointed out, the Blackguard's feats are useful for any STR-based fighter. The Paladin you have proposed has the Leadership feat, crippling him out of the starting gate by robbing him of a combat-based feat.</p><p></p><p>4) This point is actually my own. The Paladin, as a Core Class, is the master of mounted combat. Your PrC seems to have very little to reflect this, and again, robbed of a Combat based feat and two feat slots for non-mounted combat, you dilute this point, and the usefulness of a bonded mount, even further.</p><p></p><p>There is no reward and a very great cost to what you propose. Remember what you have to ask yourself when making a PrC:</p><p></p><p>What makes this class so good that everyone wants it?</p><p></p><p>and</p><p></p><p><em>Why is this class so horrible that no one will ever take it?</em></p><p></p><p>There are far too many points on the latter for anyone TO ever take it. Nobody would ever really want to be a paladin in this world, even the paladins. Thus, you will not have paladin PCs, or even anybody expressing the vaguest interest in becoming one. If no PCs would ever become a Paladin in a million years, it's safe to assume that very few qualified NPCs would join their ranks, either.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lily Inverse, post: 259669, member: 4594"] Sonofapreacherman Let me spell this out for you in no uncertain terms. I am going to try to sum up the entire argument against this prestiege class in a few paragraphs. 1) You have repeatedly stated, over and over, that Int should be a prerequisite of Paladinhood. However, this brings up the number of required "Good" stats to five. Not even the BEST published PrCs have these kinds of requirements. Furthermore, you have also set up this class so that the ONLY requirement is Intelligence. This means that a paladin can be either foolish, weak, sickly, or a bumpkin, but he MUST be fairly intelligent. I won't get into the numbers again, but unless you're running some kind of supermen campaign, I have only seen two characters who meet your requirement AND can put up even a halfway decent fight in eight years. And when you're stuck generating new characters every other week along with seven other people for a few years, that's saying something. 2) PrC's should offer at least as much as going the stragiht-up route. Your Paladin does not. It makes absolutely no sense to become a Paladin even if you are already the type of person who acts like one. Indeed, your Intelligence argument is counterintuitive in the face of this fact, for it would take a remarkable lack of forethought to actually take a level of this class. 3) You created this class as an opposite to the Blackguard. The only problem is, as has been pointed out, the Blackguard's feats are useful for any STR-based fighter. The Paladin you have proposed has the Leadership feat, crippling him out of the starting gate by robbing him of a combat-based feat. 4) This point is actually my own. The Paladin, as a Core Class, is the master of mounted combat. Your PrC seems to have very little to reflect this, and again, robbed of a Combat based feat and two feat slots for non-mounted combat, you dilute this point, and the usefulness of a bonded mount, even further. There is no reward and a very great cost to what you propose. Remember what you have to ask yourself when making a PrC: What makes this class so good that everyone wants it? and [i]Why is this class so horrible that no one will ever take it?[/i] There are far too many points on the latter for anyone TO ever take it. Nobody would ever really want to be a paladin in this world, even the paladins. Thus, you will not have paladin PCs, or even anybody expressing the vaguest interest in becoming one. If no PCs would ever become a Paladin in a million years, it's safe to assume that very few qualified NPCs would join their ranks, either. [/QUOTE]
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