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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lily Inverse" data-source="post: 261262" data-attributes="member: 4594">This is all well and good, but what we have repeatedly tried to point out is that his Paladin gains less for his XP than being a multi-classed Fighter-Cleric.  This is more than just not "obtaining the highest modifiers," this is actually a central concern of the entire class-level system, as well as its greatest flaw.  Classes with great requirements should have equivalent rewards - this one doesn't.  In effect, he wishes to penalize Paladins for their dedication.Very true, but there IS a basic mathematical component to this.  In standard mathematics, 3 is always greater than 1.  If a PrC is notably weak by the obvious numerical advantages, it will likely show up in play unless there are other modifications that we aren't being told about.Actually, yes, he is limited to ten paladin levels.  Once you end a class' progression, you can pick up other ones or begin getting other benefits, but a 10th level paladin is the highest you will ever see, even under Epic Level rules.  The above is based on what information I've seen about the EHB, anyway.Totally wrong.  Yes, if you want to play a Psion who is without focus in any one of the six disciplines, then you're going to need all 16s and up to really take advantage of it.  However, more often you'll want to focus on two or three key disciplines.  Two or three key stats, and you get to pick which ones they are.  This Paladin MUST have a decent score in one stat to qualify, and in three or four others to be truly effective, while it is possible to play an effective Psion with only one high stat.  Not a particularly diverse one, but still effective.Most of what the rest of us have been trying to point out is that this class completely lacks any sense of game balance.  It is not just "Slightly weak."   Taking a few levels in this Paladin will drastically reduce the effectiveness of the character in all combat situations  I think Sonofapreacherman believes this class will be on-par with a fighter of equivalent level.  The majority are saying that he will not be and are trying to point out why.  I would say these arguments are the ones falling of deaf ears.  The requirements are simply far too harsh for the return reward.</blockquote>

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