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The (quintessential) paladin prestige class
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<blockquote data-quote="Al" data-source="post: 262226" data-attributes="member: 2486"><p>reapersaurus: The post of a genius! You made me realise that SoaPM's logic is all totally flawed.</p><p></p><p>Firstly, he claims to be a roleplayer, and hence unconcerned by ability, game mechanic and the like.</p><p></p><p>Then, he proceeds to devise the game mechanical solution to a paladin.</p><p></p><p>SOAPM- I say this to you: if you are truly unconcerned with game mechanic, why is a Paladin Prestige Class needed at all? Why not simply be a lawful good fighter/cleric, call yourself a paladin and be done with it. If you are truly unconcerned with game mechanics (as you repeatedly claim), then why bother with them at all? Why, indeed, play DnD, which is a mechanic-heavy system?</p><p></p><p>Jerrid: A more calculated and sensible defence of the class, but flawed nevertheless.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I for one loathe childish ad-hominem insult, but is roleplayer really an insult?</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Quite correct, but the consensus (or at least, vast majority) seems to be against the prestige class as written.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>His reasoning, as we have repeatedly demonstrated (not merely asserted, as he did) was faulty. Yet he continued to labour his point: who really have the deaf eyes and blind eyes?</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I am with Lily on this one: a psion only really needs one or two decent stats that he can go to town on- granted, to garner the full utility of the class six may be required, but for this paladin at least five are required to even make it vaguely effective. A psion can be effective with just two good stats; this paladin demands five.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Faulty logic. If I were to make a paladin prestige class, which had as the prerequisites Skill Focus in six different Craft skills (which would probably be as justifiable as Improved Disarm) and clearly inferior abilities, then I would be laughed off the boards. Harsh prerequisites and shoddy abilites cannot be justified by saying 'it is part of the sacrifice'. Besides, the paladin makes the sacrifice- but what does he receive in turn? </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Perhaps, but one must ask why he posted it on the boards in the first place in that case. If he is not willing to listen to criticism, he should have just introduced his ill-advised class to his game without even bothering the rest of us.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Al, post: 262226, member: 2486"] reapersaurus: The post of a genius! You made me realise that SoaPM's logic is all totally flawed. Firstly, he claims to be a roleplayer, and hence unconcerned by ability, game mechanic and the like. Then, he proceeds to devise the game mechanical solution to a paladin. SOAPM- I say this to you: if you are truly unconcerned with game mechanic, why is a Paladin Prestige Class needed at all? Why not simply be a lawful good fighter/cleric, call yourself a paladin and be done with it. If you are truly unconcerned with game mechanics (as you repeatedly claim), then why bother with them at all? Why, indeed, play DnD, which is a mechanic-heavy system? Jerrid: A more calculated and sensible defence of the class, but flawed nevertheless. I for one loathe childish ad-hominem insult, but is roleplayer really an insult? Quite correct, but the consensus (or at least, vast majority) seems to be against the prestige class as written. His reasoning, as we have repeatedly demonstrated (not merely asserted, as he did) was faulty. Yet he continued to labour his point: who really have the deaf eyes and blind eyes? I am with Lily on this one: a psion only really needs one or two decent stats that he can go to town on- granted, to garner the full utility of the class six may be required, but for this paladin at least five are required to even make it vaguely effective. A psion can be effective with just two good stats; this paladin demands five. Faulty logic. If I were to make a paladin prestige class, which had as the prerequisites Skill Focus in six different Craft skills (which would probably be as justifiable as Improved Disarm) and clearly inferior abilities, then I would be laughed off the boards. Harsh prerequisites and shoddy abilites cannot be justified by saying 'it is part of the sacrifice'. Besides, the paladin makes the sacrifice- but what does he receive in turn? Perhaps, but one must ask why he posted it on the boards in the first place in that case. If he is not willing to listen to criticism, he should have just introduced his ill-advised class to his game without even bothering the rest of us. [/QUOTE]
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