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<blockquote data-quote="Sonofapreacherman" data-source="post: 289067" data-attributes="member: 2315"><p>Right away, this is where we differ in opinion. The essential code of any *chaotic* alignment is to never let anyone tell you who to be. You are an individual, defined by your own will and sense of decency/indecency, and not the stipulations of a culture, doctorate, or society (any institution that represents established laws). As codes of behavior go, the Lawful Good one is much more restrictive than the Chaotic Good one (hands down).</p><p></p><p></p><p>To buy into this I would also have to buy into Lawful Good paladins who are bent on bringing regulation and structure to any free-willed group of people, and... well, I don't.</p><p></p><p>Paladins are bent on opposing "oppression". Imposing laws on a free-willed group of people is just another form of oppression. Paladins are diplomatic enough to see the contradiction. A paladin might offer the protection of a law-abiding system to a group of free-willed people, but if those people reject it in favor of their own system (and continued their Chaotic Good ways), the paladin would have no problem accepting that (short of considering them misguided).</p><p></p><p></p><p>To solve this problem I have restricted the blackguard prestige class to Chaotic Evil, and will be ramping up their powers to be comparable with my paladin prestige class.</p><p></p><p></p><p>People say dungeon masters don't count in game balance issues. I say they do. If a dungeon master doesn't make gaining access to additional character classes and prestige classes difficult, requiring (at the very least) a planned/written back story leading up to it, then they aren't asserting the innate authority of their position. By creating your Barbarian/Bard/Ranger/Fighter/Psychic Warrior/Shadow Dancer/Blackguard/Assassin, you only encourage your characters to do the same.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is a nitpick, but a ranger could become a blackguard by 7th level. Secondly, with a paladin prestige class, while you wouldn't be worried about them from the start, if you did meet one at lower levels, you would KNOW that they were formidable and not to be trifled with. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. They would truly have presence, as I believe they should.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure there is. Enjoy your vacation.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sonofapreacherman, post: 289067, member: 2315"] Right away, this is where we differ in opinion. The essential code of any *chaotic* alignment is to never let anyone tell you who to be. You are an individual, defined by your own will and sense of decency/indecency, and not the stipulations of a culture, doctorate, or society (any institution that represents established laws). As codes of behavior go, the Lawful Good one is much more restrictive than the Chaotic Good one (hands down). To buy into this I would also have to buy into Lawful Good paladins who are bent on bringing regulation and structure to any free-willed group of people, and... well, I don't. Paladins are bent on opposing "oppression". Imposing laws on a free-willed group of people is just another form of oppression. Paladins are diplomatic enough to see the contradiction. A paladin might offer the protection of a law-abiding system to a group of free-willed people, but if those people reject it in favor of their own system (and continued their Chaotic Good ways), the paladin would have no problem accepting that (short of considering them misguided). To solve this problem I have restricted the blackguard prestige class to Chaotic Evil, and will be ramping up their powers to be comparable with my paladin prestige class. People say dungeon masters don't count in game balance issues. I say they do. If a dungeon master doesn't make gaining access to additional character classes and prestige classes difficult, requiring (at the very least) a planned/written back story leading up to it, then they aren't asserting the innate authority of their position. By creating your Barbarian/Bard/Ranger/Fighter/Psychic Warrior/Shadow Dancer/Blackguard/Assassin, you only encourage your characters to do the same. This is a nitpick, but a ranger could become a blackguard by 7th level. Secondly, with a paladin prestige class, while you wouldn't be worried about them from the start, if you did meet one at lower levels, you would KNOW that they were formidable and not to be trifled with. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. They would truly have presence, as I believe they should. Sure there is. Enjoy your vacation. :cool: [/QUOTE]
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