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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5402516" data-attributes="member: 4937">Oh, ok.&nbsp; Then 'A' should be something like, &quot;No, you can't be the a dinosaur riding technomancer who shoots lasers out of his forehead in King Arthur's court.&quot;That sounds like we are going to bicker over what is more railroady.&nbsp; From my prespective, there is nothing particularly railroady about using a pregen - but if the DM insists you use a pregen then it's a railroad no 'maybe' about it.&nbsp; In the third option, at least the DM gave the player the freedom to choose his own name and presumably create his own character - even if he's going to ignore it.&nbsp; So, probably both are railroady.&nbsp; Choose your poison.Pretty much any time world events happen and you are allowed only to be an observer, you can gaurantee you are on rails.&nbsp; I mean, that's were the term comes from.Agreed.Well, for example, 'A' could be: &quot;The DM reports the NPC's initiative before you even roll.&quot;, and 'B' could be, &quot;The DM reports the NPC's initiative after you roll for the PC's.&quot;, and 'C' could be, &quot;The NPC always wins initiative and has the uncanny ability to act outside of the initiative order whenever threatened.&quot;Yeah, that's railroading.&nbsp; I just don't see 'A' as being the contrast to that.&nbsp;&nbsp; I suppose the extreme contrast to that is the, &quot;The DM happily sits around for four hours while the players in character develop an elaborate plan for seizing the gaurdhouse.&quot;I get how 'C' is railroady.&nbsp; I just don't see 'A' and 'B' as actually demonstrating what they claim.&nbsp; If you are mapping the dungeon, you don't actually know you aren't on a railroad.&nbsp;&nbsp; So for me, a good 'A' would have to be about mapping and be as illustrative of not railroading as 'C' is illustrative of being on a railroad.&nbsp; A -&gt; B&nbsp; doesn't mean !A -&gt; !B.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 5402516, member: 4937"] Oh, ok. Then 'A' should be something like, "No, you can't be the a dinosaur riding technomancer who shoots lasers out of his forehead in King Arthur's court." That sounds like we are going to bicker over what is more railroady. From my prespective, there is nothing particularly railroady about using a pregen - but if the DM insists you use a pregen then it's a railroad no 'maybe' about it. In the third option, at least the DM gave the player the freedom to choose his own name and presumably create his own character - even if he's going to ignore it. So, probably both are railroady. Choose your poison. Pretty much any time world events happen and you are allowed only to be an observer, you can gaurantee you are on rails. I mean, that's were the term comes from. Agreed. Well, for example, 'A' could be: "The DM reports the NPC's initiative before you even roll.", and 'B' could be, "The DM reports the NPC's initiative after you roll for the PC's.", and 'C' could be, "The NPC always wins initiative and has the uncanny ability to act outside of the initiative order whenever threatened." Yeah, that's railroading. I just don't see 'A' as being the contrast to that. I suppose the extreme contrast to that is the, "The DM happily sits around for four hours while the players in character develop an elaborate plan for seizing the gaurdhouse." I get how 'C' is railroady. I just don't see 'A' and 'B' as actually demonstrating what they claim. If you are mapping the dungeon, you don't actually know you aren't on a railroad. So for me, a good 'A' would have to be about mapping and be as illustrative of not railroading as 'C' is illustrative of being on a railroad. A -> B doesn't mean !A -> !B. [/QUOTE]

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