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<blockquote data-quote="Levistus's_Leviathan" data-source="post: 8506990" data-attributes="member: 7023887"><p>Yeah, that's exactly what I was asking. Basically, if a world doesn't have a fantasy-counterpart culture for the group that's folklore/mythology inspired the D&D monster, should we divorce the cultural context from the monsters to avoid them becoming the stand-ins for those people, or would it just be best to not include them in the world in the first place if they would become those stand-ins due to the lack of having another cultural stand-in in the same world? </p><p></p><p>People in this thread that are whining about the current direction of D&D, saying that I'm overthinking/overreaction, or that your own personal anecdotes invalidate whatever you think the OP was about, because that's not what this thread or the OP was about. </p><p></p><p>The dilemma that I discussed in the OP broke down into these three options:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Should we strip the cultural context from the borrowed monsters to avoid them becoming stand-ins for those cultures in worlds that don't already have stand-ins for them. (Like Eberron, which doesn't have a humanoid cultural stand-in for Middle Eastern people, but does have a nation of Rakshasa that wear similar outfits, have similar architecture, the same titles, etc.) This has the issue of possibly being mis-appropriation of those cultures' creatures. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Should we just not use those creatures in the first place if there is a risk of them being taken as stand-ins for that real-world culture? (Again, would it better to just not use Rakshasas in Eberron as a major population of an area of the main continent and instead just use a different type of fiend to get across the same theme without appearing to misuse the monsters.)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Should we instead include a humanoid version of the cultural stand-ins (like Al-Qadim) so there would then be a place for the creatures from those real-world cultures in the used setting? (Maybe by adding a Middle-East stand in to the area of the Demon Wastes or perhaps Sarlona/Xen'Drik to explain why they have similar cultures to the real world counterparts of them.) </li> </ol><p>That's what I was asking (while also asking if there was another option that people thought of), not whether or not it was okay to use those creatures in the first place (I said in the OP that I was okay with this), or any other mischaracterization of the OP. </p><p></p><p>Does that make sense? Maybe I just didn't explain it that well in the OP. Thanks [USER=7028372]@Irlo[/USER] for explaining it better than I did originally.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Levistus's_Leviathan, post: 8506990, member: 7023887"] Yeah, that's exactly what I was asking. Basically, if a world doesn't have a fantasy-counterpart culture for the group that's folklore/mythology inspired the D&D monster, should we divorce the cultural context from the monsters to avoid them becoming the stand-ins for those people, or would it just be best to not include them in the world in the first place if they would become those stand-ins due to the lack of having another cultural stand-in in the same world? People in this thread that are whining about the current direction of D&D, saying that I'm overthinking/overreaction, or that your own personal anecdotes invalidate whatever you think the OP was about, because that's not what this thread or the OP was about. The dilemma that I discussed in the OP broke down into these three options: [LIST=1] [*]Should we strip the cultural context from the borrowed monsters to avoid them becoming stand-ins for those cultures in worlds that don't already have stand-ins for them. (Like Eberron, which doesn't have a humanoid cultural stand-in for Middle Eastern people, but does have a nation of Rakshasa that wear similar outfits, have similar architecture, the same titles, etc.) This has the issue of possibly being mis-appropriation of those cultures' creatures. [*]Should we just not use those creatures in the first place if there is a risk of them being taken as stand-ins for that real-world culture? (Again, would it better to just not use Rakshasas in Eberron as a major population of an area of the main continent and instead just use a different type of fiend to get across the same theme without appearing to misuse the monsters.) [*]Should we instead include a humanoid version of the cultural stand-ins (like Al-Qadim) so there would then be a place for the creatures from those real-world cultures in the used setting? (Maybe by adding a Middle-East stand in to the area of the Demon Wastes or perhaps Sarlona/Xen'Drik to explain why they have similar cultures to the real world counterparts of them.) [/LIST] That's what I was asking (while also asking if there was another option that people thought of), not whether or not it was okay to use those creatures in the first place (I said in the OP that I was okay with this), or any other mischaracterization of the OP. Does that make sense? Maybe I just didn't explain it that well in the OP. Thanks [USER=7028372]@Irlo[/USER] for explaining it better than I did originally. [/QUOTE]
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