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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 8507718" data-attributes="member: 6778210">It's almost like they are oriented to non-European monsters that may not be used well? I dunno, just a thought.In the past people were conflating D&D with Satanism. It had no evidence and it was easy to debunk. This is obviously not the case, given that the people who have problems are often coming from within the community themselves. Instead it's the defenders that are being knee-jerk in their defenses.D&D can make mistakes and absolutely has in the past (both distant and recent). The problem is that it is hard to correct these things when everyone is ridiculously sensitive to questioning the product.This cuts both ways. Like, if you have such problems with the changes and discussions, just ignore them and don't use the new versions. If you don't like that Orcs are no longer absolutely evil, then what stops you from making it that way? I think this completely misunderstands the critique and the forces behind the critique. Also yes, media can be instructional and it absolutely shapes culture. I don't even know how one would argue it doesn't.You are concern-trolling. When you ask "How far do we go?", that's a concern troll. Your whole point of "What if it stifles creativity?" doesn't really have any example, it's just a very vague "What if?", and your conception of how to be culturally aware is such hyperbole to come off as a complete bad-faith argument.Yeah, I just don't see it. Propaganda, by its nature, is misleading. What's being misled in this discussion? This comes off as trying to poison an argument by giving it a bad name, not actually making an argument against it. Given that you think that taking cultural context means you have to paralyze your creative process, I'd say this is a pattern.I'm not missing anything, I just think your entire argument to be a bad fantasy. No one is saying you can't borrow elements from another culture, but just that you should be aware of what you borrow and the context for it. Instead you spin a yarn about how this creates a creative stagnation and paralysis because you have to consider other cultures. That's just nonsensical. No one is infringing on your Freedom of Expression, they are just asking you to think about what you do. If that suddenly causes you to completely freeze, I don't know what to tell you. It doesn't do that to me.I mean, of all the sentiments I get this one the most. It's something I had to move past. A lot of it is dealing with the idea that you may have been wrong in the past, and we are taught that being wrong is bad. But the only way to move forward it to recognize it and try to be better. So I don't really fear being wrong, because I will be at some point. It's natural. What I fear is not getting better. I mean, we are literally stopping the discussion from happening by saying whether we should even have the discussion. Moreover, I find the reasons why to be not convincing and often times disingenuous; after the 3rd time you've seen someone play the slippery slope, it gets tiresome, let alone the 30th.This would make more sense if werewolves or demons were seen as imitating and making a commentary on Europeans. With Efreets, it's hard to see them as anything but a collection of very old and bad cultural stereotypes.I mean, unironically this would rock. I would totally be interested in an Indian sub-continent setting that was written by people who actually had knowledge of the subject would be huge.</blockquote>

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