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<blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 8507869" data-attributes="member: 6778210"><p>You're... halfway there. It's not necessarily bad that genies reflect back on Arab culture. This can be done well and without being problematic. The problem you have Efreets, who embody a bunch of terrible stereotypes of Arab culture. In this case, it's just particularly egregious.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, you might have a point there if they were used bad, though Europeans getting European-myth wrong is generally less harmful than someone outside of a group taking it and using it wrongly.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Uh, this is absolutely coming from within the community. I mean, this thread was started here from someone who is clearly part of the community. This fortress mentality is useless.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Uh, the problem is that the OP wanted a discussion and you really <em>don't</em>. OP didn't have an immediate problem, but pointed out that these creatures have been made as stand-ins for different cultures. Given what they do, I kind of understand it (especially in the case of genies). That you're reflexively sensitive to that doesn't matter to me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There are people who aren't releasing certain projects because of how they will be judged in the RPGspace? Have any projects stopped because of this? Like, vague fears being out there feels more like a self-inflicted thing more than anything.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, that's not what the OP said, which at this point tells me that you're so stuck in defense that you actually haven't read what this thread started as.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Can you point to an example of pablum being produced? Like, do you have a good example of something being so watered down that it didn't stand up? I know the new Zakara supplement on GM's guild got a lot of good will. Was that pablum? Mwangi Expanse got rave reviews; was that watered down in some way?</p><p></p><p>Again, I just don't see these fears borne out. It feels more like an excuse to feel this way more than anything.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, people who know something of India? It depends on the portrayal, per OP. If anything, you could probably push for a revamp of the Rakshasas given that the D&D version are not exactly the same as they are in Hindu myth. Or more accurately, they're inspired by an episode of <em>Kolchak</em>.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you're talking about Lindsey Ellis, I already know that saga because I was subscribed to her. I don't see that as a real fear for anyone given that we exist in the RPG space, which doesn't attract the same sort of attention and people that Lindsey sadly did. Moreover, I feel like the mobs work on the other side: I've seen minority members get mobbed on Twitter for suggesting things or asking to look at things. I'm not sure I've seen creators mobbed for not being sufficiently "woke".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Justice and Rule, post: 8507869, member: 6778210"] You're... halfway there. It's not necessarily bad that genies reflect back on Arab culture. This can be done well and without being problematic. The problem you have Efreets, who embody a bunch of terrible stereotypes of Arab culture. In this case, it's just particularly egregious. I mean, you might have a point there if they were used bad, though Europeans getting European-myth wrong is generally less harmful than someone outside of a group taking it and using it wrongly. Uh, this is absolutely coming from within the community. I mean, this thread was started here from someone who is clearly part of the community. This fortress mentality is useless. Uh, the problem is that the OP wanted a discussion and you really [I]don't[/I]. OP didn't have an immediate problem, but pointed out that these creatures have been made as stand-ins for different cultures. Given what they do, I kind of understand it (especially in the case of genies). That you're reflexively sensitive to that doesn't matter to me. There are people who aren't releasing certain projects because of how they will be judged in the RPGspace? Have any projects stopped because of this? Like, vague fears being out there feels more like a self-inflicted thing more than anything. I mean, that's not what the OP said, which at this point tells me that you're so stuck in defense that you actually haven't read what this thread started as. Can you point to an example of pablum being produced? Like, do you have a good example of something being so watered down that it didn't stand up? I know the new Zakara supplement on GM's guild got a lot of good will. Was that pablum? Mwangi Expanse got rave reviews; was that watered down in some way? Again, I just don't see these fears borne out. It feels more like an excuse to feel this way more than anything. I mean, people who know something of India? It depends on the portrayal, per OP. If anything, you could probably push for a revamp of the Rakshasas given that the D&D version are not exactly the same as they are in Hindu myth. Or more accurately, they're inspired by an episode of [I]Kolchak[/I]. If you're talking about Lindsey Ellis, I already know that saga because I was subscribed to her. I don't see that as a real fear for anyone given that we exist in the RPG space, which doesn't attract the same sort of attention and people that Lindsey sadly did. Moreover, I feel like the mobs work on the other side: I've seen minority members get mobbed on Twitter for suggesting things or asking to look at things. I'm not sure I've seen creators mobbed for not being sufficiently "woke". [/QUOTE]
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