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<blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 8508065" data-attributes="member: 6778210"><p>I mean, it's still cultural appropriation, it's just taking it from a second-hand source. And cultural appropriation isn't always <em>bad, </em>but a lot of early stuff from D&D is not exactly great, either.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What was misguided about the criticisms? I mean, I've seen a lot of critiques of art when it comes to minorities. I generally think they are on-point for what they are. But I think this is way overblown compared to the reverse: the D&D fandom coming down on minority fans for expressing their problems with D&D.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, this is the nature of the market. I'd be more interested in what they were specifically critiquing more than anything, because I think this is one of those things where context matters and I'm guessing that some creators may not be as familiar with some cultures as they think. Again, being afraid of critiques is much different than being harassed, and none of this really comes close to "propaganda".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, there's way more than a grain of truth, but if you don't want to get into it, then whatever.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Djinn are the most common type, but they are not nearly the most focused-on. Efreets and the City of Brass get the most play of any genie and genie-related media in D&D. People are mentioning the Citadel of Ice and Steel, but how long has it been since we've had something in the fiction cover that? I can find third party stuff on the City of Brass no problem; it's pretty easy to tell which one has a more central role in the D&D Community.</p><p></p><p>Meanwhile, no one cares about Frost Giants because it's being expressed by people from or adjacent to that culture. The portrayal of Frost Giants doesn't really rank much with people compared to bad stereotypes of Arabs. I've seen someone review that City of Brass 3PP that came out 3 years ago and... it's not a good look. And that's not really on Wizards, but at the same time it's part of the problem with the general fiction built up around D&D, how certain things are just really problematic, and how the community can run with them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>At the same time, you can be evil without playing into every bad stereotype out there. It's not that they can't be evil, but more that you need to separate it from every bad stereotype out there.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Justice and Rule, post: 8508065, member: 6778210"] I mean, it's still cultural appropriation, it's just taking it from a second-hand source. And cultural appropriation isn't always [I]bad, [/I]but a lot of early stuff from D&D is not exactly great, either. What was misguided about the criticisms? I mean, I've seen a lot of critiques of art when it comes to minorities. I generally think they are on-point for what they are. But I think this is way overblown compared to the reverse: the D&D fandom coming down on minority fans for expressing their problems with D&D. I mean, this is the nature of the market. I'd be more interested in what they were specifically critiquing more than anything, because I think this is one of those things where context matters and I'm guessing that some creators may not be as familiar with some cultures as they think. Again, being afraid of critiques is much different than being harassed, and none of this really comes close to "propaganda". I mean, there's way more than a grain of truth, but if you don't want to get into it, then whatever. Djinn are the most common type, but they are not nearly the most focused-on. Efreets and the City of Brass get the most play of any genie and genie-related media in D&D. People are mentioning the Citadel of Ice and Steel, but how long has it been since we've had something in the fiction cover that? I can find third party stuff on the City of Brass no problem; it's pretty easy to tell which one has a more central role in the D&D Community. Meanwhile, no one cares about Frost Giants because it's being expressed by people from or adjacent to that culture. The portrayal of Frost Giants doesn't really rank much with people compared to bad stereotypes of Arabs. I've seen someone review that City of Brass 3PP that came out 3 years ago and... it's not a good look. And that's not really on Wizards, but at the same time it's part of the problem with the general fiction built up around D&D, how certain things are just really problematic, and how the community can run with them. At the same time, you can be evil without playing into every bad stereotype out there. It's not that they can't be evil, but more that you need to separate it from every bad stereotype out there. [/QUOTE]
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