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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Levistus's_Leviathan" data-source="post: 8508145" data-attributes="member: 7023887">Okay. But that's not what my position is. My position is that there is a discussion to be had about what the better kind of treatment of these creatures would be, not making rules for how people can include them in their games. I was solely speaking for me, not trying to impose any sort of moral ruleset on anyone else. If you don't like that I'm asking questions for my own benefit . . . I seriously do not understand wtf your position is. Because right now it seems like "don't have this discussion" and "you're overreacting, snowflake" (I admit that these are hyperbole, but that's how it's coming across). Again, if you don't think this thread's discussion is important, you're more that welcome to just not participate in it. Create your own thread about how you don't think threads like this are important. I don't care. However, I do care when that discussion comes into this thread and starts contaminating the discussion that I asked for. So . . . my act of thinking about this was an overreaction to you. I'm sorry that I committed some misdeed in the act of thinking about something that came across as iffy to me and creating a discussion around it. In your mind, I crossed a line by the mere act of thinking about something you don't want me to think about and that the discussion should be silenced because of that. From what I can tell, your position is "you overreacted by thinking about this, so I don't think this thread should exist, and will talk about how I don't think it will exist to try and make sure that the discussion asked for in the OP doesn't happen". Care to correct me on that? Because that's really how you're coming across right now to multiple people. Oh, and I'm sorry, but you again mischaracterized my position. My OP and subsequent posts took no moral positions and made no stances as to what other people should or shouldn't do in their own worlds. It was solely about what I should do in my own worlds/campaigns. I think the people that are actually overreacting are the ones objecting to having a discussion about a topic they're misrepresenting. Yes, actually, you are. That was just one of the options I listed in the OP as a way to solve the dilemma I was facing. That's not my position. I was just pointing out that that is a valid position to take on this issue. It's not the one that I subscribe to (as I stated in the OP, I haven't made up my mind yet), and this discussion was meant to talk about the merits and faults of all of the possible options in this dilemma I'm facing. And, yes, I do believe you and quite a few other posters have/are taking this thread in the wrong way due to recent threads, namely the Orc-based ones. This thread is not about offense, it's not about racism, it's not about changing how any of the books or official settings are written, and it's not about any sense of moral superiority/rules that people should have to adhere to. I really have no idea where you guys are coming up with this nonsense.</blockquote>

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