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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 8508663" data-attributes="member: 2209">I presented three different ways to view Efreeti in D&amp;D.Are you saying nobody can reasonably look at fantasy elements and depictions and see a layer of artistic metaphor or take away any cultural messages?I am not saying people are obligated to, I am saying I can see viewing it that way.I can completely see people feeling that from the cultural mythos elements in the PH the Crusading knight trope paladin linkage to LG was presenting an image of Christians as Good, pagan Celtic druids are not Good but Neutral, and pagan barbarians are Chaotic.I can also see people reasonably looking at the PH and not feeling that way.If you want to describe Arabs in a bad way you have a myriad of options from the overt to the subtle using a bunch of different themes. The options would not be limited to overt suicide bomber tropes, though that would be one method.I was claiming that structurally in Core D&amp;D the most prominent Arab thing is evil Efreet.That seems factually accurate.You yourself pointed out that villain monsters are naturally more prominent in D&amp;D than good monsters.I was not advocating for any change in representation.I was explicitly saying I am fine with it as is and using them in many different ways (with cultural context or not), but I can see a basis for individuals to feel differently.I feel art can be interpreted many different ways by different individuals. There is not an objective one true wayism to follow.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 8508663, member: 2209"] I presented three different ways to view Efreeti in D&D. Are you saying nobody can reasonably look at fantasy elements and depictions and see a layer of artistic metaphor or take away any cultural messages? I am not saying people are obligated to, I am saying I can see viewing it that way. I can completely see people feeling that from the cultural mythos elements in the PH the Crusading knight trope paladin linkage to LG was presenting an image of Christians as Good, pagan Celtic druids are not Good but Neutral, and pagan barbarians are Chaotic. I can also see people reasonably looking at the PH and not feeling that way. If you want to describe Arabs in a bad way you have a myriad of options from the overt to the subtle using a bunch of different themes. The options would not be limited to overt suicide bomber tropes, though that would be one method. I was claiming that structurally in Core D&D the most prominent Arab thing is evil Efreet. That seems factually accurate. You yourself pointed out that villain monsters are naturally more prominent in D&D than good monsters. I was not advocating for any change in representation. I was explicitly saying I am fine with it as is and using them in many different ways (with cultural context or not), but I can see a basis for individuals to feel differently. I feel art can be interpreted many different ways by different individuals. There is not an objective one true wayism to follow. [/QUOTE]

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