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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 8508904" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>I don't think it is ignoring what is in front of us. It is us all examining the same thing, looking at the same data, and reaching different conclusions. That is normal. People are different and assess media in different ways. I am not saying history justifies it being there (the thing that justifies it being there or not is if it works for the setting and adds something useful to it). But the history explains why it might be there. When we make fantasy settings we are usually drawing on historical examples for things like structures to institutions. To be the most likely explanation for why it is there, is they leaned heavily on that kind of source material while developing the Genie. As to why even the good genie have slaves, I don't know. I imagine that is also a byproduct of that, or possibly the byproduct of an involved conversation among the designers where it made some kind of sense to them. Like I said, I think having a good culture own slaves, is a bad idea just in terms of alignment (and again I can easily imagine a conversation that somehow got them there, just like we sometimes end up in very weird places from conversations on threads because logic leads us astray if any of our underlying premises are wrong). And more important, it is not at all clear to me, and to a number of other people in the thread that this is actual stereotype. But I certainly don't think that is why it is there. I think they decided to model genie culture on a particular set of historical examples, and those historical examples had slaves. I am not familiar enough with the realms to know if any other good society has slaves. But I think having good cultures that own slaves is odd given the alignment system.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 8508904, member: 85555"] I don't think it is ignoring what is in front of us. It is us all examining the same thing, looking at the same data, and reaching different conclusions. That is normal. People are different and assess media in different ways. I am not saying history justifies it being there (the thing that justifies it being there or not is if it works for the setting and adds something useful to it). But the history explains why it might be there. When we make fantasy settings we are usually drawing on historical examples for things like structures to institutions. To be the most likely explanation for why it is there, is they leaned heavily on that kind of source material while developing the Genie. As to why even the good genie have slaves, I don't know. I imagine that is also a byproduct of that, or possibly the byproduct of an involved conversation among the designers where it made some kind of sense to them. Like I said, I think having a good culture own slaves, is a bad idea just in terms of alignment (and again I can easily imagine a conversation that somehow got them there, just like we sometimes end up in very weird places from conversations on threads because logic leads us astray if any of our underlying premises are wrong). And more important, it is not at all clear to me, and to a number of other people in the thread that this is actual stereotype. But I certainly don't think that is why it is there. I think they decided to model genie culture on a particular set of historical examples, and those historical examples had slaves. I am not familiar enough with the realms to know if any other good society has slaves. But I think having good cultures that own slaves is odd given the alignment system. [/QUOTE]

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