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<blockquote data-quote="GM Dave" data-source="post: 5892954" data-attributes="member: 6687992">There have been several calls by people to make the Ranger the 'Wilderness' focused character.My thoughts on that are it pigeon holes the class to a very specific type of campaign and situation.I love 'Wilderness Rangers' and am a big fan of the Ranger's Apprentice series.I just recognize that in DnD play, that the 'Wilderness' is not large enough a section of play to hang a whole class upon.Urban Ranger a joke to get around hunting your own people?&nbsp; I'm fairly sure that I remember it being in my 2e Complete Ranger's book and I know it was in Dragon Magazines before then.There are many campaigns that take place almost fully within cities (like Raven's Bluff) or are plane hopping (like Planescape) or have a very different wilderness (like Dark Sun or an Under Mountain).A good class can adapt to the campaign with ease like a Wizard or Cleric selecting different spells or deities.Now, if 'Wilderness' or the option to pick 'Wilderness' type of locations is important then it might be good to make the Ranger the 'Theme' class like the Fighter is the 'Feat' class.&nbsp; This would be using my suggestion that different environments be packaged in different Themes.This would also allow the player that wanted to set up their Ranger to be some sort of different build (more magical build because maybe they are in a high magic campaign or maybe an anti undead build because they are in a Ravenloft world and want a dedicated monster hunter) to have the ability to pick and slot in the pieces.I mean, a Ranger that is a Vampire Hunter makes sense but that doesn't suggest that they should be good in the woods or in the middle of a desert.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GM Dave, post: 5892954, member: 6687992"] There have been several calls by people to make the Ranger the 'Wilderness' focused character. My thoughts on that are it pigeon holes the class to a very specific type of campaign and situation. I love 'Wilderness Rangers' and am a big fan of the Ranger's Apprentice series. I just recognize that in DnD play, that the 'Wilderness' is not large enough a section of play to hang a whole class upon. Urban Ranger a joke to get around hunting your own people? I'm fairly sure that I remember it being in my 2e Complete Ranger's book and I know it was in Dragon Magazines before then. There are many campaigns that take place almost fully within cities (like Raven's Bluff) or are plane hopping (like Planescape) or have a very different wilderness (like Dark Sun or an Under Mountain). A good class can adapt to the campaign with ease like a Wizard or Cleric selecting different spells or deities. Now, if 'Wilderness' or the option to pick 'Wilderness' type of locations is important then it might be good to make the Ranger the 'Theme' class like the Fighter is the 'Feat' class. This would be using my suggestion that different environments be packaged in different Themes. This would also allow the player that wanted to set up their Ranger to be some sort of different build (more magical build because maybe they are in a high magic campaign or maybe an anti undead build because they are in a Ravenloft world and want a dedicated monster hunter) to have the ability to pick and slot in the pieces. I mean, a Ranger that is a Vampire Hunter makes sense but that doesn't suggest that they should be good in the woods or in the middle of a desert. [/QUOTE]

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