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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 6347861" data-attributes="member: 18">If that variant was in the PHB, I think it'd have been mentioned, so I think we can rule that out. I don't believe we'll see much in the way of optional rules at all in the PHB, just player choices and guidance, based on what has been said so far (and the contents page). The DMG is a possibility, though. If the spells look anything like those in the Alpha, they're a very serious amount of power, with some classic Ranger abilities made into spells (Quarry, for example). They would not be trivial to replace.It's even tougher for Paladins, because spells are actually woven into some class features (with Rangers they can at least be divorced almost entirely from class features in the Alpha), but I think there's less demand for a zero-spells Paladin - probably worth doing another, separate base class, or a Fighter sub-class, called Cavalier in either case, with more party-buff/leadership-type non-magic abilities.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 6347861, member: 18"] If that variant was in the PHB, I think it'd have been mentioned, so I think we can rule that out. I don't believe we'll see much in the way of optional rules at all in the PHB, just player choices and guidance, based on what has been said so far (and the contents page). The DMG is a possibility, though. If the spells look anything like those in the Alpha, they're a very serious amount of power, with some classic Ranger abilities made into spells (Quarry, for example). They would not be trivial to replace. It's even tougher for Paladins, because spells are actually woven into some class features (with Rangers they can at least be divorced almost entirely from class features in the Alpha), but I think there's less demand for a zero-spells Paladin - probably worth doing another, separate base class, or a Fighter sub-class, called Cavalier in either case, with more party-buff/leadership-type non-magic abilities. [/QUOTE]

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