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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 6347889" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>You don't get that? Really? I think it's always kind of been a thing. Let's look at the Ranger:</p><p></p><p>1E - No spells until 8th level - which was very far into many campaigns.</p><p>2E - No spells until 8th or 9th level, I forget. Again, very far into many campaigns and it was a very small bit of magic (everyone would have quite a few magic items etc. by then).</p><p>3.XE/PF - Default was spells from between 4th to 6th level (depending on WIS), but a lot of people disliked this and both 3.XE and PF have no-spellcasting variant Rangers (several in the case of PF, dunno how many for 3.XE).</p><p>4E - Ranger does not cast spells. Some powers seem magic-y, and a couple are obviously magic, but all of those can be chosen, or not chosen.</p><p>5E - Ranger cast spells from 2nd level, many features of Rangers from previous editions have outright become spells.</p><p></p><p>So one could have been playing a non-magic Ranger for what, more than a decade, for sure. One could have played Rangers since 1E and never actually cast a spell with them if one was low-level (as was common in Ye Olden Dayes). And hell, didn't even 2E explicitly have options in some official book for non-caster Rangers? Maybe even UA did? I know 2E did, can't remember if it was Complete Ranger or something else.</p><p></p><p>Now, let me be clear. I am not down on 5E for not including this. I like 5E's Ranger design PERSONALLY. But I am not down on people who dislike it, or who thing merely re-flavouring the spells as not-spells isn't a good fix for them. It's certainly possible to have a non-casting Ranger, and not some kind of wild and hairy idea that no-one has really wanted before.</p><p></p><p>Also, I think some people would be fine with a "mystical" Ranger, where he had some magical-seeming but not explicitly spell-cast-y abilities, and which did not work on a slot-like basis or X/day basis, so I don't think "no spells" and "fully mundane" are quite the same thing.</p><p></p><p>All IMO/IME.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 6347889, member: 18"] You don't get that? Really? I think it's always kind of been a thing. Let's look at the Ranger: 1E - No spells until 8th level - which was very far into many campaigns. 2E - No spells until 8th or 9th level, I forget. Again, very far into many campaigns and it was a very small bit of magic (everyone would have quite a few magic items etc. by then). 3.XE/PF - Default was spells from between 4th to 6th level (depending on WIS), but a lot of people disliked this and both 3.XE and PF have no-spellcasting variant Rangers (several in the case of PF, dunno how many for 3.XE). 4E - Ranger does not cast spells. Some powers seem magic-y, and a couple are obviously magic, but all of those can be chosen, or not chosen. 5E - Ranger cast spells from 2nd level, many features of Rangers from previous editions have outright become spells. So one could have been playing a non-magic Ranger for what, more than a decade, for sure. One could have played Rangers since 1E and never actually cast a spell with them if one was low-level (as was common in Ye Olden Dayes). And hell, didn't even 2E explicitly have options in some official book for non-caster Rangers? Maybe even UA did? I know 2E did, can't remember if it was Complete Ranger or something else. Now, let me be clear. I am not down on 5E for not including this. I like 5E's Ranger design PERSONALLY. But I am not down on people who dislike it, or who thing merely re-flavouring the spells as not-spells isn't a good fix for them. It's certainly possible to have a non-casting Ranger, and not some kind of wild and hairy idea that no-one has really wanted before. Also, I think some people would be fine with a "mystical" Ranger, where he had some magical-seeming but not explicitly spell-cast-y abilities, and which did not work on a slot-like basis or X/day basis, so I don't think "no spells" and "fully mundane" are quite the same thing. All IMO/IME. [/QUOTE]
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