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<blockquote data-quote="Gradine" data-source="post: 6348335" data-attributes="member: 57112">I won't belabor the point, except to say there's a difference between &quot;magic exists in the world&quot; and &quot;magic and nature are one in the same thing.&quot;And I wouldn't say having a martial Ranger would be wrongbadfun or that you shouldn't homebrew one for your game if you want to. I'm just trying to explain why it isn't in the PHB and why it also isn't likely for the DMG.Also, 3.5 Scout was in Complete Adventurer, not PHB II. It showed up a year and a half after the 3.5 PHB and four and a half years after 3rd edition came out. That's not saying much, because the same could be said of Ninja and Spellthief (both of which at least have some representation in the 5e PHB), but it does go to show how far into the lifespan of D&amp;D (and 3rd edition in particular) it took to get a magic-free Ranger-esque class. We might still see it in an official release. I'm just skeptical.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gradine, post: 6348335, member: 57112"] I won't belabor the point, except to say there's a difference between "magic exists in the world" and "magic and nature are one in the same thing." And I wouldn't say having a martial Ranger would be wrongbadfun or that you shouldn't homebrew one for your game if you want to. I'm just trying to explain why it isn't in the PHB and why it also isn't likely for the DMG. Also, 3.5 Scout was in Complete Adventurer, not PHB II. It showed up a year and a half after the 3.5 PHB and four and a half years after 3rd edition came out. That's not saying much, because the same could be said of Ninja and Spellthief (both of which at least have some representation in the 5e PHB), but it does go to show how far into the lifespan of D&D (and 3rd edition in particular) it took to get a magic-free Ranger-esque class. We might still see it in an official release. I'm just skeptical. [/QUOTE]

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