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Message: <blockquote data-quote="txshusker" data-source="post: 6446231" data-attributes="member: 6785841">The point of the Ranger is that they are spell casting fighters. Of course it's a niche... what other martial class can cast nature spells? Rangers have always been spell casters, and if you took that away from the base class and made them choose spells or beastmaster or hunter, then you've limited - not expanded - their options. A barbarian can do much of the nature/survival stuff, but can't cast spells... the spells are exactly what differentiates the class. Without the spells, you call them fighters and move on and it's the spell casting that makes them the equals of the other classes. If you take away the Ranger's casting, then you must take away the paladin's as well and you've changed the base of a game that's been played for 40yrs.They did a magic using fighter subclass because the sword mage doesn't exist and a lot of people like to cast spells playing fighters because it gives you something else to do - since they took away all the extra stuff from 4e. if they had a swordmage class, they wouldn't have the eldritch knight.As to the OP, I'm finally getting to play in a game instead of DM and I plan on Rangering. They better not be weak.</blockquote>