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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6300258" data-attributes="member: 2067">I think that works fine for a &quot;weekend in the Mists&quot; type adventure, or even for a slightly longer haul. If you're just going to strap Ravenloft to the end of a normal campaign for a few weeks, that makes a lot of sense, and I agree that late 3e/4e's &quot;everyone can always do what they do!&quot; mantra worked against things like that. If you're going to run a campaign in Ravenloft -- a complete story arc spanning some big chunk of 20 levels -- that is going to require something different than &quot;Surprise! You're nerfed!&quot; What is intended as a realization that your abilities don't work as you intended simply becomes the way things are. And if the way things are is &quot;wizards can scry, but it sucks,&quot; then it's just going to be less problematic to say &quot;wizards can't scry, but if you'd like to use some divination-style abilities, grab a Mist Gypsy and we'll see what you can do with that.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 6300258, member: 2067"] I think that works fine for a "weekend in the Mists" type adventure, or even for a slightly longer haul. If you're just going to strap Ravenloft to the end of a normal campaign for a few weeks, that makes a lot of sense, and I agree that late 3e/4e's "everyone can always do what they do!" mantra worked against things like that. If you're going to run a [I]campaign[/I] in Ravenloft -- a complete story arc spanning some big chunk of 20 levels -- that is going to require something different than "Surprise! You're nerfed!" What is intended as a realization that your abilities don't work as you intended simply becomes the way things are. And if the way things are is "wizards can scry, but it sucks," then it's just going to be less problematic to say "wizards can't scry, but if you'd like to use some divination-style abilities, grab a Mist Gypsy and we'll see what you can do with that." [/QUOTE]

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