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<blockquote data-quote="Greg K" data-source="post: 4715226" data-attributes="member: 5038"><p>Not a bug, but a feature.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, really, you are complaining that everyone should conform to your preferred playstyle. Myself, I like that I might go to different people's games and find differences. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it just didn't live up to your expectation. Then again, this is the same thing we heard from some people in prior editions about Dark Sun and Ravenloft not being D&D.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Honestly, I don't care about powergamers, who play to win. Nor, do I care about players that poor every book and optimize preplanned builds. These are table/group issues. Among the gamers I know, the former would be kicked out and the latter would mostly likely have their pre-planned build invalidated once the game starts (assuming the limits on source books and house rules didn't invalidate it during character generation).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Catering to RPGA and organized play in general was, in my opinion and many others, a big mistake and has had a negative influence on the game.</p><p>It has been a long time since I have known anyone in RPGA. The individuals that I know that tried it left, because of the optimizers and powergamers. Of course, the warning sign was when ,locally, we saw many members kicked out of local groups were many of the people at RPGA tournaments.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So are you implying that the casual gamers are the problem. If so, perhaps, the problem is the people trying to game the system and the solution is for organized play to address the people trying to game the system.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, just what your vision of what DND should be. Like most replies have stated, the OGL and the variation it allowed was a good thing, ymmv.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Only a good thing if you believe in one true wayism. And as for WOTC's view, I, really don't care (other than that they determine what the DND label appears upon). To be honest, outside of the core books for both DND and d20 Modern, I found most of their supplements to not be to my liking and subpar to companies like Atlas, Green Ronin, Silverthorne and others (the occassional book like Unearthed Arcana, Fiendish Codex I, and Heroes of Horror not withstanding).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Greg K, post: 4715226, member: 5038"] Not a bug, but a feature. So, really, you are complaining that everyone should conform to your preferred playstyle. Myself, I like that I might go to different people's games and find differences. No, it just didn't live up to your expectation. Then again, this is the same thing we heard from some people in prior editions about Dark Sun and Ravenloft not being D&D. Honestly, I don't care about powergamers, who play to win. Nor, do I care about players that poor every book and optimize preplanned builds. These are table/group issues. Among the gamers I know, the former would be kicked out and the latter would mostly likely have their pre-planned build invalidated once the game starts (assuming the limits on source books and house rules didn't invalidate it during character generation). Catering to RPGA and organized play in general was, in my opinion and many others, a big mistake and has had a negative influence on the game. It has been a long time since I have known anyone in RPGA. The individuals that I know that tried it left, because of the optimizers and powergamers. Of course, the warning sign was when ,locally, we saw many members kicked out of local groups were many of the people at RPGA tournaments. So are you implying that the casual gamers are the problem. If so, perhaps, the problem is the people trying to game the system and the solution is for organized play to address the people trying to game the system. No, just what your vision of what DND should be. Like most replies have stated, the OGL and the variation it allowed was a good thing, ymmv. Only a good thing if you believe in one true wayism. And as for WOTC's view, I, really don't care (other than that they determine what the DND label appears upon). To be honest, outside of the core books for both DND and d20 Modern, I found most of their supplements to not be to my liking and subpar to companies like Atlas, Green Ronin, Silverthorne and others (the occassional book like Unearthed Arcana, Fiendish Codex I, and Heroes of Horror not withstanding). [/QUOTE]
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