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<blockquote data-quote="shadzar" data-source="post: 5427879" data-attributes="member: 6667746"><p>Lots cut, but some points and disagreement. They won't because age restrictions for entry into using a lot of technology still means tactile object will be required for games not just digital ones, and some people may not make the move to digital.</p><p></p><p>NO!, you don't need to be able to do things on your 21st century GameBoys. Most of those TOOLS have been turned into TOYS as is and the technology is being abused. For a D&D/computer geek/nerd to say this may sound wierd but, get unplugged and go outside and get some sun and do something with your hands other than texting/tweeting and their equivalents. All you need from the technology is a calculator. I have been using computers for nearly my entire life and programming since before I was 10, and was even using 100 baud modems. The technology is being abused and the advances are not being made in a helpful way, thus the exoflood theory and reasons being given that are just a money grab and scare tactic. You don't need your phone or an electronic device to do everything for you. I surely don't want an electric device to "wipe" for me. We don't need to turn into the people of Wall-E.</p><p></p><p>You can make things yourself or cold, but it doesnt mean it has to move in that direction JUST for you. Not everyone wants to use phones for such things, and my games have a "no electronic device" rule. Only a calculator if needed, because people cannot stop being distracted by all the other crap on such devices.</p><p></p><p>Well I say you can, but I don't know if the phones make you share things, and making something for D&D for a phone and sharing it, would likely get the app shutdown by WotC/HASBRO lawyers. You used to be able to and were suggested to write programs to aid in gaming, but one of the problems with edition changes was the change of hands and direction. With such a heavy push, then you lose options to do such things for yourself as the company will want to control all such activities as it will then be able to make money from said apps. DDi as a good example.</p><p></p><p>The fact you CAN build your own app, means that there is no problem. Just because they CAN make everything fully digital, it doesn't mean they should. Technology is killing innovation in most places and making them lazier and dumber society. Skilled craftsmen are being lost as well as artisans because the tech is being used as a crutch.</p><p></p><p>Consider most companies are lazy and wont do the same thing two different ways. The electronic is cheaper and can cover a wider audience, so why keep physical product?</p><p></p><p>All that aside as food for thought, the game doesnt need anything the GAME doesn't need. No electronic device is required to play the game, and when it is, it will just be another on the pile of the last 3 decades worth of computer games.</p><p></p><p>Do you WANT these electronic crutches to have "apps" to help you? Yes. Does the game need them? No. That is why the game is changing in that way, because people aren't understanding that your wants don' outweigh the needs.</p><p></p><p>This is in response to you, but as an example of a larger problem that people don't understand. The game and many other things are changing just to be "hip" or the next fad, rather than an actual improvement to performance of the thing that is changing.</p><p></p><p>Real people be it using those virtual tabletops or real ones, will be more adaptable than a script written into a computer game. So use the technology as the tool it is, rather than let it use you; and make decisions for yourself rather than let the newest piece of needless tech make them for you.</p><p></p><p>Take the character builder as an example. Many have stated without it they wouldn't play 4th edition because it is too much work, which means the game even has the tech as a crutch. It doesn't even work right from what I have read, and when it does requires gigs of printer spooling because it prints using an outdated format because it wasnt made for text printing. Building the game around crutches only means you are building a faulty game since it requires those crutches and that should be avoided.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shadzar, post: 5427879, member: 6667746"] Lots cut, but some points and disagreement. They won't because age restrictions for entry into using a lot of technology still means tactile object will be required for games not just digital ones, and some people may not make the move to digital. NO!, you don't need to be able to do things on your 21st century GameBoys. Most of those TOOLS have been turned into TOYS as is and the technology is being abused. For a D&D/computer geek/nerd to say this may sound wierd but, get unplugged and go outside and get some sun and do something with your hands other than texting/tweeting and their equivalents. All you need from the technology is a calculator. I have been using computers for nearly my entire life and programming since before I was 10, and was even using 100 baud modems. The technology is being abused and the advances are not being made in a helpful way, thus the exoflood theory and reasons being given that are just a money grab and scare tactic. You don't need your phone or an electronic device to do everything for you. I surely don't want an electric device to "wipe" for me. We don't need to turn into the people of Wall-E. You can make things yourself or cold, but it doesnt mean it has to move in that direction JUST for you. Not everyone wants to use phones for such things, and my games have a "no electronic device" rule. Only a calculator if needed, because people cannot stop being distracted by all the other crap on such devices. Well I say you can, but I don't know if the phones make you share things, and making something for D&D for a phone and sharing it, would likely get the app shutdown by WotC/HASBRO lawyers. You used to be able to and were suggested to write programs to aid in gaming, but one of the problems with edition changes was the change of hands and direction. With such a heavy push, then you lose options to do such things for yourself as the company will want to control all such activities as it will then be able to make money from said apps. DDi as a good example. The fact you CAN build your own app, means that there is no problem. Just because they CAN make everything fully digital, it doesn't mean they should. Technology is killing innovation in most places and making them lazier and dumber society. Skilled craftsmen are being lost as well as artisans because the tech is being used as a crutch. Consider most companies are lazy and wont do the same thing two different ways. The electronic is cheaper and can cover a wider audience, so why keep physical product? All that aside as food for thought, the game doesnt need anything the GAME doesn't need. No electronic device is required to play the game, and when it is, it will just be another on the pile of the last 3 decades worth of computer games. Do you WANT these electronic crutches to have "apps" to help you? Yes. Does the game need them? No. That is why the game is changing in that way, because people aren't understanding that your wants don' outweigh the needs. This is in response to you, but as an example of a larger problem that people don't understand. The game and many other things are changing just to be "hip" or the next fad, rather than an actual improvement to performance of the thing that is changing. Real people be it using those virtual tabletops or real ones, will be more adaptable than a script written into a computer game. So use the technology as the tool it is, rather than let it use you; and make decisions for yourself rather than let the newest piece of needless tech make them for you. Take the character builder as an example. Many have stated without it they wouldn't play 4th edition because it is too much work, which means the game even has the tech as a crutch. It doesn't even work right from what I have read, and when it does requires gigs of printer spooling because it prints using an outdated format because it wasnt made for text printing. Building the game around crutches only means you are building a faulty game since it requires those crutches and that should be avoided. [/QUOTE]
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