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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5430802" data-attributes="member: 957">You seem to be suggesting that this is something you could not have done in 3E.&nbsp; Is that what you are saying?&nbsp; And if so, why?Absolutely correct.Though I see see in your description the completely typical 4E &quot;pop quiz&quot; roleplaying in which the mechanics describe an event and you role play to match it.There is nothing wrong with that.But, if someone prefers the idea that the mechanics should stay completely out of the way and the player should role play whatever, and only then do the mechanics come in to model the chosen behavior, then that person is going to find other systems far more satisfying.It isn't a matter of right or wrong, but it is a very legitimate matter of difference in taste.That seems to be the point of contention.&nbsp; Over and over 4E fans demand that they are role playing just as much as anyone else.&nbsp; I don't doubt that.&nbsp; But they ALSO demand that there is no difference.&nbsp; And then they go on to describe this &quot;pop quiz&quot; style.&nbsp; It is a huge difference.I understand that many people may not PERCEIVE the difference.&nbsp; I also fully respect that many people may have been playing 3E this way all along.&nbsp; But the difference is there.&nbsp; And the encamped portion of the 4E fanbase's refusal to admit that this difference exist is one the the critical elements of the unending back and forth.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 5430802, member: 957"] You seem to be suggesting that this is something you could not have done in 3E. Is that what you are saying? And if so, why? Absolutely correct. Though I see see in your description the completely typical 4E "pop quiz" roleplaying in which the mechanics describe an event and you role play to match it. There is nothing wrong with that. But, if someone prefers the idea that the mechanics should stay completely out of the way and the player should role play whatever, and only then do the mechanics come in to model the chosen behavior, then that person is going to find other systems far more satisfying. It isn't a matter of right or wrong, but it is a very legitimate matter of difference in taste. That seems to be the point of contention. Over and over 4E fans demand that they are role playing just as much as anyone else. I don't doubt that. But they ALSO demand that there is no difference. And then they go on to describe this "pop quiz" style. It is a huge difference. I understand that many people may not PERCEIVE the difference. I also fully respect that many people may have been playing 3E this way all along. But the difference is there. And the encamped portion of the 4E fanbase's refusal to admit that this difference exist is one the the critical elements of the unending back and forth. [/QUOTE]

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