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<blockquote data-quote="shadzar" data-source="post: 5431765" data-attributes="member: 6667746">AD&amp;D had the advantage to ADDING things that would cause the los of an eye, wherein 4th and its daily healing routine does not let for those things to be possible without stringing the healing mechanics.Infections while healing, no antibiotics, etc. None of those matter to 4th sicne all such non-magical hinderances are removed the next day.Character X has:100 maximum HP5 healing surges100/4=25*5=125+100=225 HPLooks real easy to me no matter how simple I make it, it is cut and dry that healing surges CAN be converted directly to HP without interferring with healing, and when you run out you jsut run out.The fact surges hinder other parts of the system and powers and &quot;bloodied&quot; condition or whatever are NOT my problem, as that is a problem with the system trying to mix mechanics.You CAN convert surges to direct HP and do without surges, you just have to also cut out all the other things surges brought with them. Therefore it gives a finite HP outside of magic and such just like previous editions.The point of contention is still with the natural healing as discussed in the previous reply.You lose narrative control due to the mechanic of healing as a result of the &quot;new day&quot; syndrome. There are just some thing that won't work without corrupting the suspension of disbelief and pulling you out of the game and pushing you into the metagame and having to work around the metagame in order to make the narrative work.Again this was an intended change, but a change that does shift focus and ability from one aspect of the game to another. Call it simulationism vs gamist, roleplaying vs combat oriented, roleplaying vs rollplaying, whatever you want to call those foci, it shifts.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="shadzar, post: 5431765, member: 6667746"] AD&D had the advantage to ADDING things that would cause the los of an eye, wherein 4th and its daily healing routine does not let for those things to be possible without stringing the healing mechanics. Infections while healing, no antibiotics, etc. None of those matter to 4th sicne all such non-magical hinderances are removed the next day. Character X has: 100 maximum HP 5 healing surges 100/4=25*5=125+100=225 HP Looks real easy to me no matter how simple I make it, it is cut and dry that healing surges CAN be converted directly to HP without interferring with healing, and when you run out you jsut run out. The fact surges hinder other parts of the system and powers and "bloodied" condition or whatever are NOT my problem, as that is a problem with the system trying to mix mechanics. You CAN convert surges to direct HP and do without surges, you just have to also cut out all the other things surges brought with them. Therefore it gives a finite HP outside of magic and such just like previous editions. The point of contention is still with the natural healing as discussed in the previous reply. You lose narrative control due to the mechanic of healing as a result of the "new day" syndrome. There are just some thing that won't work without corrupting the suspension of disbelief and pulling you out of the game and pushing you into the metagame and having to work around the metagame in order to make the narrative work. Again this was an intended change, but a change that does shift focus and ability from one aspect of the game to another. Call it simulationism vs gamist, roleplaying vs combat oriented, roleplaying vs rollplaying, whatever you want to call those foci, it shifts. [/QUOTE]

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