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<blockquote data-quote="Abraxas" data-source="post: 5432228" data-attributes="member: 1266">There is a distinct lack of office supplies on the list also - so the DM would have to decide the paper clip was a suitable tool - or would that not be by the RAW? (Now, before you say &quot;well a paper clip is a wire, I'll counter with the spoon is a pry bar or any other number of possible ways it could be a potential usable tool for this)The rule says &quot;or the like&quot;, the DM is the final arbiter of what or the like means - so, in 3E, by the RAW, he could just as easily said your rogue's &quot;magic spoon&quot; was a suitable tool, just like your DM in 4E allows your rogue to fonzerelli bump a lock with it in 4E even though the rogue isn't really picking the lock.I have to ask, would you really give your DM grief if he said your crazy rogue can't open the lock by hitting it with his &quot;magic spoon&quot;?Regardless - we're arguing play experience and semantics - which is pretty OT.IMO, YMMV, and all that...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Abraxas, post: 5432228, member: 1266"] There is a distinct lack of office supplies on the list also - so the DM would have to decide the paper clip was a suitable tool - or would that not be by the RAW? (Now, before you say "well a paper clip is a wire, I'll counter with the spoon is a pry bar or any other number of possible ways it could be a potential usable tool for this) The rule says "or the like", the DM is the final arbiter of what or the like means - so, in 3E, by the RAW, he could just as easily said your rogue's "magic spoon" was a suitable tool, just like your DM in 4E allows your rogue to fonzerelli bump a lock with it in 4E even though the rogue isn't really picking the lock. I have to ask, would you really give your DM grief if he said your crazy rogue can't open the lock by hitting it with his "magic spoon"? Regardless - we're arguing play experience and semantics - which is pretty OT. IMO, YMMV, and all that... [/QUOTE]

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