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<blockquote data-quote="Ariosto" data-source="post: 5436895" data-attributes="member: 80487">No, it's not. It's the &quot;4e skill challenge&quot;.Then we would not be using &quot;4e skill challenges&quot;.Says who?And either it does or it does not. That depends on(A) the situationand(B) what they are doingand(C) usually a chance factor to represent the myriad imponderables that Von Clausewitz called &quot;friction&quot;.What it does not depend upon is the arbitrary structure of a &quot;4e skill challenge&quot;.If I light a wood fire, then there is a fire. If you pour on enough water, then the result is dead ashes; too little, and the result is still hot embers. In the latter case, the addition of tinder may get the fire going again.See? There are causes and effects, not &quot;X successes before 3 failures&quot;. Choose a cause of failure -- such as pouring kerosene instead of water when you want to put out the fire -- and you get failure. Choose a cause of sooner success -- such as applying Aquaeus Fire Fighting Foam -- and you get success sooner.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ariosto, post: 5436895, member: 80487"] No, it's not. It's the "4e skill challenge". Then we would not be using "4e skill challenges". Says who? And either it does or it does not. That depends on (A) the situation and (B) what they are doing and (C) usually a chance factor to represent the myriad imponderables that Von Clausewitz called "friction". What it does [i]not[/i] depend upon is the arbitrary structure of a "4e skill challenge". If I light a wood fire, then there is a fire. If you pour on enough water, then the result is dead ashes; too little, and the result is still hot embers. In the latter case, the addition of tinder may get the fire going again. See? There are causes and effects, not "X successes before 3 failures". Choose a cause of failure -- such as pouring kerosene instead of water when you want to put out the fire -- and you get failure. Choose a cause of sooner success -- such as applying Aquaeus Fire Fighting Foam -- and you get success sooner. [/QUOTE]

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