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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 5437333" data-attributes="member: 18280">Pemerton,AFAICT, we largely agree as far as this topic goes.&nbsp; I do understand the arguments of some others, though, because they echo my initial reaction to 4e.&nbsp; My understanding is that some of the later books have cleared up some of the problems of the earlier books, and I applaud WotC for addressing the concerns I (and others) voiced earlier.I did pick up the Underdark book (although I admit I haven't given it more than a skimming, followed up by reading some spots of interest).&nbsp; Some of the adventures have interesting material, and convert easily enough.&nbsp; I have gotten good enough at conversions now that I can run 1e, 3e, and 4e materials for my ruleset while performing conversions on the fly for almost everything.&nbsp; Complex NPCs still require about 5 minutes each to convert in pre-prep.With all of these doom-n-gloom threads out right now, I hope that WotC pulls itself together, dusts itself off, and revitalizes itself by producing more interesting adventure material.&nbsp; And dropping the Delve format.&nbsp; The Delve format reduces the value of their offerings, to me at least, by a significant degree.&nbsp; The Delve format reinforces a lot of the negative opinions/arguments re: 4e IMHO.&nbsp; Please, WotC, please drop it!Let's return to the Forbidden City with a poster-sized, detailed map!&nbsp; I would gladly pay for a boxed set, if the overview maps were well designed, and not scaled to minis.&nbsp; You can include tiles for combat if you like, but the overview should be beautiful and useful as an overview!&nbsp; I am certain that I am not alone in finding this idea exciting.(Actually, I would like a well done, detailed ruined city from anyone!)&nbsp; Rules may be more profitable, but well-written adventures and setting keep people interested in the game.&nbsp; RC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 5437333, member: 18280"] Pemerton, AFAICT, we largely agree as far as this topic goes. I do understand the arguments of some others, though, because they echo my initial reaction to 4e. My understanding is that some of the later books have cleared up some of the problems of the earlier books, and I applaud WotC for addressing the concerns I (and others) voiced earlier. I did pick up the Underdark book (although I admit I haven't given it more than a skimming, followed up by reading some spots of interest). Some of the adventures have interesting material, and convert easily enough. I have gotten good enough at conversions now that I can run 1e, 3e, and 4e materials for my ruleset while performing conversions on the fly for almost everything. Complex NPCs still require about 5 minutes each to convert in pre-prep. With all of these doom-n-gloom threads out right now, I hope that WotC pulls itself together, dusts itself off, and revitalizes itself by producing more interesting adventure material. And dropping the Delve format. The Delve format reduces the value of their offerings, to me at least, by a significant degree. The Delve format reinforces a lot of the negative opinions/arguments re: 4e IMHO. Please, WotC, [I][B]please[/B][/I] drop it! Let's return to the Forbidden City with a poster-sized, detailed map! I would gladly pay for a boxed set, if the overview maps were well designed, and not scaled to minis. You can include tiles for combat if you like, but the overview should be beautiful and useful as an overview! I am certain that I am not alone in finding this idea exciting. (Actually, I would like a well done, detailed ruined city from anyone!) Rules may be more profitable, but well-written adventures and setting keep people interested in the game. RC [/QUOTE]

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