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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 5702937" data-attributes="member: 67338">ok, first part...if 4e looked like pathfinder then most of my group would not be buying it, and some would not even be Rping anymore.4e was the logical step for us. It was the next evolotion of the game. We had already used ALOT of house rules to try to get around 3e. In the game I was running when 4e was announced we used Bo9S classes, plus 2 varriants we found on the web of those classes, warlocks, Bards, and palidens. We were useing a Daily second wind (From SW Saga) and made a bunch of spells (IDentfy, and the like) into rituls anyone could do. Many of my cirrent group had stop playing D&D for other systems by then, or just stoped RPing in general. The number 1-3 complaints:1) Spellcasters too easy to min max as you get above 5th level2) skill system to crazy/ social skills too much3) the 'best' answer was to multi early and multi often...single class sucked. (And that goes back to 2003 when we already had never seen a 12th level anything.)then there were lots of little things that buged us too. I know that the best 3e fighter we ever saw was loaded with specilized feats, items, and was a unqie build with 2 prestige classes... and a 4e fighter can do it all out of the box and in some ways btter. 2nd part, I belive Piazo would be out of buiesness now if that were the case. That also means the whole RPG industy would be worse for it. Without an OGL they could not publish, and the GSL was not what they were looking for. I do not belive pathfinder in that enviorment would have been a hit (without the pissed off at wotc rabid fans backing it) and as such today WotC would be stronger, the Hobby would be weaker, and alot of good work would have been lost.</blockquote>

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