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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5875167" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>Undead Ward is in Open Grave. And it's full of problems - even if you allow the PCs 30 days to work on it non stop without sleeping the Lich Queen only has problems with it if she's an idiot. Simple blackmail (Do what I say or I will kill your children) could easily get living agents to break the thing as any living being can break it with a standard action.</p><p></p><p>If you want to be nice to the PCs, have the first agent the Lich Queen captures turn themselves over to the PCs. Then work out how they can hold the barrier without breaking all trade. Sure it's a nuisance for her - but 30 days solid work without sleep ought to be. It's only unbreakable with absolutely no DM creativity. </p><p></p><p>As for Deathly Shroud, woop de doo! People appear to be undead to the undead. This is not the same as appearing to be under the Lich Queen's control. You seriously think the Lich Queen has never had to deal with a rival necromancer? Someone who would use actual undead against her? You think that the Lich Queen, being a powerful necromancer, has never heard of this necromantic ritual?</p><p></p><p>Both these rituals are useful for one-off stunts to give the Lich Queen a one off and very minor headache. But the countermoves are very simple (appearing to be undead should be no more of a guarantee of stealth than appearing to be of a certain race or ethnicity). If you're finding them to break your game it's because you're playing your Lich Queen as a complete idiot who isn't taking even the most elementary precautions against what the PCs are doing. (And as for mitigating armies, even if the undead can't get in they can still lay siege - being trapped in a town by an army of undead who never eat or sleep and don't catch diseases can't be a picnic).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5875167, member: 87792"] Undead Ward is in Open Grave. And it's full of problems - even if you allow the PCs 30 days to work on it non stop without sleeping the Lich Queen only has problems with it if she's an idiot. Simple blackmail (Do what I say or I will kill your children) could easily get living agents to break the thing as any living being can break it with a standard action. If you want to be nice to the PCs, have the first agent the Lich Queen captures turn themselves over to the PCs. Then work out how they can hold the barrier without breaking all trade. Sure it's a nuisance for her - but 30 days solid work without sleep ought to be. It's only unbreakable with absolutely no DM creativity. As for Deathly Shroud, woop de doo! People appear to be undead to the undead. This is not the same as appearing to be under the Lich Queen's control. You seriously think the Lich Queen has never had to deal with a rival necromancer? Someone who would use actual undead against her? You think that the Lich Queen, being a powerful necromancer, has never heard of this necromantic ritual? Both these rituals are useful for one-off stunts to give the Lich Queen a one off and very minor headache. But the countermoves are very simple (appearing to be undead should be no more of a guarantee of stealth than appearing to be of a certain race or ethnicity). If you're finding them to break your game it's because you're playing your Lich Queen as a complete idiot who isn't taking even the most elementary precautions against what the PCs are doing. (And as for mitigating armies, even if the undead can't get in they can still lay siege - being trapped in a town by an army of undead who never eat or sleep and don't catch diseases can't be a picnic). [/QUOTE]
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