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<blockquote data-quote="Reynard" data-source="post: 4037952" data-attributes="member: 467">I don't mind &quot;meaningless&quot; death because I don't think it is.&nbsp; If the player -- plyers, in fact, because we are talking about a group here -- are attached to the character, even an ignominous (sp?) death at the hands of a kobold with a scorpion on a stick is &quot;meaningful&quot; -- a beloved individual, no matter how fictional, died.Example: In my first 3.0 campaign, which was a sequel to a 2E campaign, one of the PCs was a female bard, all of 16 years old.&nbsp; She was perky and fun and more than a little foolish.&nbsp; She bit it at the hands of some were-rats down at the docks (who hasn't used that schtick?).&nbsp; Because she was a sibling to half the other PCs, and because her player made her into a &quot;real&quot; person, her death -- the result of a critical, if I remmeber correctly -- was &quot;meaningful&quot;.&nbsp; Every were-rat was gutted, the warehouse wherein they laired was gleefully raised, and there was a tear-jerker of a funeral.&nbsp; This happened in session 2.&nbsp; And the player, rather than mope about not being able to play, sat back and enjoyed the results of his character's death was sketching out a new character.I've certainly seen &quot;meaningless&quot; deaths other than that one -&nbsp; I let the dice fall where they may, and I occasionally build encounters intended to be too strong for the PCs' current level (either because of versimilitude, or because I define certain encounters before play even begins &quot;sandbox style&quot;).&nbsp; IME, though, the &quot;meaningless&quot; deaths are only meaningless because the players don't actually care much about their characters.&nbsp; Which is fine -- stop your whining and roll up a new one if the last one didn't matter.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Reynard, post: 4037952, member: 467"] I don't mind "meaningless" death because I don't think it is. If the player -- plyers, in fact, because we are talking about a group here -- are attached to the character, even an ignominous (sp?) death at the hands of a kobold with a scorpion on a stick is "meaningful" -- a beloved individual, no matter how fictional, died. Example: In my first 3.0 campaign, which was a sequel to a 2E campaign, one of the PCs was a female bard, all of 16 years old. She was perky and fun and more than a little foolish. She bit it at the hands of some were-rats down at the docks (who hasn't used that schtick?). Because she was a sibling to half the other PCs, and because her player made her into a "real" person, her death -- the result of a critical, if I remmeber correctly -- was "meaningful". Every were-rat was gutted, the warehouse wherein they laired was gleefully raised, and there was a tear-jerker of a funeral. This happened in session 2. And the player, rather than mope about not being able to play, sat back and enjoyed the results of his character's death was sketching out a new character. I've certainly seen "meaningless" deaths other than that one - I let the dice fall where they may, and I occasionally build encounters intended to be too strong for the PCs' current level (either because of versimilitude, or because I define certain encounters before play even begins "sandbox style"). IME, though, the "meaningless" deaths are only meaningless because the players don't actually care much about their characters. Which is fine -- stop your whining and roll up a new one if the last one didn't matter. [/QUOTE]

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