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<blockquote data-quote="The Sigil" data-source="post: 998821" data-attributes="member: 2013"><p>Uh, we've had two sets of "core rules" since d20 Modern came out. Just because most fantasy publishers have stuck with "3.0" instead of using "Modern" doesn't mean we haven't had them.</p><p></p><p>IMO, we're going to see even more sets of "core rules" in the very near future... by the end of next month we should have:</p><p></p><p>1 - 3.0 SRD</p><p>2 - d20 Modern SRD</p><p>3 - 3.5 SRD</p><p>4 - Arcana Unearthed (not in SRD form, but it is getting a lot of support from third-party publishers and from what I have seen, contains as many deviations from 3.0 as 3.5 does)</p><p>5 - Mutants & Masterminds (a modernish-type thing and not in SRD form, but you get the point)</p><p></p><p>And I fail to see what the big deal is... the underlying system is not the "3.0 system," the underlying system is the "d20 system."</p><p></p><p>I happen to believe that because the underlying system is the same, it will be a LOT easier to port 3.0 to 3.5 and vice versa than a lot of people think.</p><p></p><p>I think a lot of people are getting upset because "WotC is 'making' me upgrade and spend another $90." How are they going to 'make' me upgrade? By discontinuing support for 3.0!</p><p></p><p>Maybe I'm a bit daft, but I <em>just don't see the problem.</em> 3.5 material is quite easily used with 3.0 and vice versa. You still have Attack bonuses and damage. You still have AC that goes up, not down. You still have hit points. I will be willing to venture that unless you are the type that calculates out how many skill points a monster, NPC, et al is supposed to have, then compares it to what they do have to see if you can catch a mistake, <em>you won't be able to notice the difference</em> in support products.</p><p></p><p>Yes, there are some minor tweaks to some of the spells and abilities that various classes get, but they are minor in the overall scheme of things. And if you're still using 3.0 "buff" spells with longer durations, who cares? There are a few new Feats, spells, etc. that will be added - and which will be available for free in the revised SRD.</p><p></p><p>I could go pick up City of the Spider Queen right now and run it quite comfortably with my PHB, DMG, and MM - and NOT the FRCS, assuming I could get a "free" copy of the feats and spells from the FRCS and/or Magic of Faerun referenced therein (I don't know exactly what it references, but I'm sure it assumes you have the FRCS). Try picking it up for yourself and flipping through it next time you're at your FLGS... it probably relies on more stuff that is in the Core Rules, but you can still run it with next to no difficulty.</p><p></p><p>Similarly, I think you'll be able to use 3.0 stuff with 3.5 - it'll be like running a character made solely from PHB stuff in an FR campaign - yes, you miss out on some of the "cool Feats and spells" in the FRCS, but even if you're a little more "vanilla" it still works.</p><p></p><p>Hopefully my point is clear... while the total skill points of a monster may be different, or it may have a Feat you're not familiar with, my guess is that the changes in 3.5 will not be much different in scope than the changes in the FRCS when compared with 3.0. And since you can download the spells, Feats, etc. from 3.5 for free from the web, they're even easier to integrate.</p><p></p><p>Heck, I think it will be easy to "run 3.5 stuff on 3.0" - you'll just have to add a few spells and Feats to your list - no worse than the errata now - and you won't be able to tell the difference.</p><p></p><p>--The Sigil</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Sigil, post: 998821, member: 2013"] Uh, we've had two sets of "core rules" since d20 Modern came out. Just because most fantasy publishers have stuck with "3.0" instead of using "Modern" doesn't mean we haven't had them. IMO, we're going to see even more sets of "core rules" in the very near future... by the end of next month we should have: 1 - 3.0 SRD 2 - d20 Modern SRD 3 - 3.5 SRD 4 - Arcana Unearthed (not in SRD form, but it is getting a lot of support from third-party publishers and from what I have seen, contains as many deviations from 3.0 as 3.5 does) 5 - Mutants & Masterminds (a modernish-type thing and not in SRD form, but you get the point) And I fail to see what the big deal is... the underlying system is not the "3.0 system," the underlying system is the "d20 system." I happen to believe that because the underlying system is the same, it will be a LOT easier to port 3.0 to 3.5 and vice versa than a lot of people think. I think a lot of people are getting upset because "WotC is 'making' me upgrade and spend another $90." How are they going to 'make' me upgrade? By discontinuing support for 3.0! Maybe I'm a bit daft, but I [i]just don't see the problem.[/i] 3.5 material is quite easily used with 3.0 and vice versa. You still have Attack bonuses and damage. You still have AC that goes up, not down. You still have hit points. I will be willing to venture that unless you are the type that calculates out how many skill points a monster, NPC, et al is supposed to have, then compares it to what they do have to see if you can catch a mistake, [i]you won't be able to notice the difference[/i] in support products. Yes, there are some minor tweaks to some of the spells and abilities that various classes get, but they are minor in the overall scheme of things. And if you're still using 3.0 "buff" spells with longer durations, who cares? There are a few new Feats, spells, etc. that will be added - and which will be available for free in the revised SRD. I could go pick up City of the Spider Queen right now and run it quite comfortably with my PHB, DMG, and MM - and NOT the FRCS, assuming I could get a "free" copy of the feats and spells from the FRCS and/or Magic of Faerun referenced therein (I don't know exactly what it references, but I'm sure it assumes you have the FRCS). Try picking it up for yourself and flipping through it next time you're at your FLGS... it probably relies on more stuff that is in the Core Rules, but you can still run it with next to no difficulty. Similarly, I think you'll be able to use 3.0 stuff with 3.5 - it'll be like running a character made solely from PHB stuff in an FR campaign - yes, you miss out on some of the "cool Feats and spells" in the FRCS, but even if you're a little more "vanilla" it still works. Hopefully my point is clear... while the total skill points of a monster may be different, or it may have a Feat you're not familiar with, my guess is that the changes in 3.5 will not be much different in scope than the changes in the FRCS when compared with 3.0. And since you can download the spells, Feats, etc. from 3.5 for free from the web, they're even easier to integrate. Heck, I think it will be easy to "run 3.5 stuff on 3.0" - you'll just have to add a few spells and Feats to your list - no worse than the errata now - and you won't be able to tell the difference. --The Sigil [/QUOTE]
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