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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 5913481" data-attributes="member: 92511">Gods, I hope not! I mean, I hope they are a subrace of elves...but not presented as PC race!Gods...I hope not, s'more. Drow with subraces? &lt;shudder&gt;I would be inclined to think if it is something genetic, like darkvision, that would not be &quot;subrace&quot; of human. The races share certain innate/genetic qualities...darkvision is certainly outside of the human genetic profile.I might suggest/suspect that the &quot;half-races&quot; are the Human &quot;subraces.&quot; Not just Half-elves and half-orcs, but half-devils (tieflings) and half-celestials (aasimar) might be included also.I would expect, as least for the playtest, they'd be going as &quot;classic&quot; as possible...so:Elves: High Elves and Wood Elves...as they've already said.Dwarves: Mountain Dwarves and Hill Dwarves...or Mountain/Hill Dwarves or Duergar.Gnomes: Forest Gnomes and Rock Gnomes...or &quot;Surface Gnomes&quot; and &quot;Deep Gnomes&quot; (Svirfs)Halflings: &quot;Country folk hairfooted kind&quot; and &quot;city-fied/more active&nbsp; shoe-wearing kind&quot;.Humans...as I said, I don't see having &quot;subraces&quot; as such...just perhaps notes for making various cultures...maybe some ability mods for different types...but not anything like &quot;darkvision&quot; though some might/could have things like &quot;stonecunning&quot; or &quot;woodlore&quot;...depending on the culture.Just guesses, of course. I have no insight into what the playtests are including anymore than anyone else/what's posted here.--SD</blockquote>

[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 5913481, member: 92511"] Gods, I hope not! I mean, I hope they are a subrace of elves...but not presented as PC race! Gods...I hope not, s'more. Drow with subraces? <shudder> I would be inclined to think if it is something genetic, like darkvision, that would not be "subrace" of human. The races share certain innate/genetic qualities...darkvision is certainly outside of the human genetic profile. I might suggest/suspect that the "half-races" are the Human "subraces." Not just Half-elves and half-orcs, but half-devils (tieflings) and half-celestials (aasimar) might be included also. I would expect, as least for the playtest, they'd be going as "classic" as possible...so: Elves: High Elves and Wood Elves...as they've already said. Dwarves: Mountain Dwarves and Hill Dwarves...or Mountain/Hill Dwarves or Duergar. Gnomes: Forest Gnomes and Rock Gnomes...or "Surface Gnomes" and "Deep Gnomes" (Svirfs) Halflings: "Country folk hairfooted kind" and "city-fied/more active shoe-wearing kind". Humans...as I said, I don't see having "subraces" as such...just perhaps notes for making various cultures...maybe some ability mods for different types...but not anything like "darkvision" though some might/could have things like "stonecunning" or "woodlore"...depending on the culture. Just guesses, of course. I have no insight into what the playtests are including anymore than anyone else/what's posted here. --SD [/QUOTE]

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