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<blockquote data-quote="Gorgon Zee" data-source="post: 6039890" data-attributes="member: 75787">Actually the reverse is less fun. I have played about 50-50 3e and 4e over the last year and the 3e cleric is constantly frustrated that he wants to do somehting fun and in line with his (non-healing-based) fire god desires, but from the party's POV by far his best action is &quot;ready to interrupt the big bad's full sequence attack on the fighter to keep him alive&quot;. Or even just &quot;go heal someone&quot;. It's not fun when the choice is &quot;enjoy the game, or be a healbot&quot;. That's why the ability to do both, or the ability to have all classes heal themselves, is necessary. A system that intentionally forces you to choose between having fun and being a good party member is a poor system. Your basic role SHOULD BE FUN.At the risk of being laughed at, the MMO DCUO solved this by having healing powers only available after you had had enough hits. This would be a cool cleric&nbsp; system -- your domain determines when you can heal: war domain, only after hitting someone, sun domain, after casting a radiant spell, etc. Make it a free action after the domain-based trigger. The&nbsp; you still have the choice of action, but the other players WANT you to have fun so you can heal. Heck, the fighter will probably take a blow to give you a flank to ensure your god will grant you a heal when you hit the enemy!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gorgon Zee, post: 6039890, member: 75787"] Actually the reverse is less fun. I have played about 50-50 3e and 4e over the last year and the 3e cleric is constantly frustrated that he wants to do somehting fun and in line with his (non-healing-based) fire god desires, but from the party's POV by far his best action is "ready to interrupt the big bad's full sequence attack on the fighter to keep him alive". Or even just "go heal someone". It's not fun when the choice is "enjoy the game, or be a healbot". That's why the ability to do both, or the ability to have all classes heal themselves, is necessary. A system that intentionally forces you to choose between having fun and being a good party member is a poor system. Your basic role SHOULD BE FUN. At the risk of being laughed at, the MMO DCUO solved this by having healing powers only available after you had had enough hits. This would be a cool cleric system -- your domain determines when you can heal: war domain, only after hitting someone, sun domain, after casting a radiant spell, etc. Make it a free action after the domain-based trigger. The you still have the choice of action, but the other players WANT you to have fun so you can heal. Heck, the fighter will probably take a blow to give you a flank to ensure your god will grant you a heal when you hit the enemy! [/QUOTE]

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