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<blockquote data-quote="sigfried" data-source="post: 9276679" data-attributes="member: 1798"><p>I agree all around with this. I also think different approaches are right for different people (or companies).</p><p></p><p>I'll say that in the group and posts in question (which are a tiny number of the posts overall in that group) the invectives were political ones (that I saw), not targeting peoples identify, but their political allegiances. And I did call them out as being rude, mean-spirited, and inappropriate for a gaming fan group. Had they been racial invectives or other truly bigoted comments, I'd probably feel rather differently, and I think the mods would too, though I don't know. Such things are in violation of Facebooks terms of service if nothing else, so you could report such posts and hopefully get them removed just like you can here.</p><p></p><p>I have a thick skin, and I've got a raft of social privileges so I'm well equipped to kind of stick it out and engage with and/or challenge people who I don't agree with. People who are more vulnerable in one way or another, should probably not put themselves in that kind of situation and are wise to protect themselves from potential harm. There are many ways to fight bigotry, and I think all of them can be helpful.</p><p></p><p>EGG is not a hateful company. It's also not a political company. That means we stand up for our values, but we don't go looking for political fights in gaming spaces.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I've been debating politics, religion, and social issues for more than 30 years. Gaming is one of the few areas of my life where I largely avoid it, though I always stand up for the views I hold if they, or people I care about come under attack. I've got a personal blog that has lots of social/political content, and a gaming blog that only discusses social/political issues directly related to gaming.</p><p></p><p>I don't want to go to a gaming convention where the conservatives have to sit in one half of the room and the liberals in the other or where you need to take a political test to get in the door, but I also don't want to go to a gaming convention where anyone feels threatened or hated or mocked by anyone else in attendance. I actually think there is some use in a space where people from different walks of life can see that they actually have a lot in common. It's one of the best ways to break down the walls of hatred because people often hate a dehumanized image of their "enemy", and not the genuine person. (And this is not saying "love your local bigot" its saying, bigots often hold those views out of ignorance or experience with bad individuals or do to media distortion and exposure to reality is one of the best cures for it.)</p><p></p><p>The cracks I usually see in the individual walls of hatred are these.</p><p>1. Compassion from the people they thought hated them</p><p>2. Exposure to the positive truth of people different from themselves</p><p>3. Seeing the cruelty and hypocrisy of those who they thought were their ideological allies</p><p></p><p>None of which is to say there are not horrible people out there, but in the world of social conflict, if you want to be persuasive, then shunning people is not effective. That's a different battle than fighting for rights and resisting attacks, you often have to be harsh in those fights. I've done a bit of both, though more of the former because honestly, I'm not usually the target of the attacks, so I'm better positioned to be a persuader than a fighter most of the time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sigfried, post: 9276679, member: 1798"] I agree all around with this. I also think different approaches are right for different people (or companies). I'll say that in the group and posts in question (which are a tiny number of the posts overall in that group) the invectives were political ones (that I saw), not targeting peoples identify, but their political allegiances. And I did call them out as being rude, mean-spirited, and inappropriate for a gaming fan group. Had they been racial invectives or other truly bigoted comments, I'd probably feel rather differently, and I think the mods would too, though I don't know. Such things are in violation of Facebooks terms of service if nothing else, so you could report such posts and hopefully get them removed just like you can here. I have a thick skin, and I've got a raft of social privileges so I'm well equipped to kind of stick it out and engage with and/or challenge people who I don't agree with. People who are more vulnerable in one way or another, should probably not put themselves in that kind of situation and are wise to protect themselves from potential harm. There are many ways to fight bigotry, and I think all of them can be helpful. EGG is not a hateful company. It's also not a political company. That means we stand up for our values, but we don't go looking for political fights in gaming spaces. Personally, I've been debating politics, religion, and social issues for more than 30 years. Gaming is one of the few areas of my life where I largely avoid it, though I always stand up for the views I hold if they, or people I care about come under attack. I've got a personal blog that has lots of social/political content, and a gaming blog that only discusses social/political issues directly related to gaming. I don't want to go to a gaming convention where the conservatives have to sit in one half of the room and the liberals in the other or where you need to take a political test to get in the door, but I also don't want to go to a gaming convention where anyone feels threatened or hated or mocked by anyone else in attendance. I actually think there is some use in a space where people from different walks of life can see that they actually have a lot in common. It's one of the best ways to break down the walls of hatred because people often hate a dehumanized image of their "enemy", and not the genuine person. (And this is not saying "love your local bigot" its saying, bigots often hold those views out of ignorance or experience with bad individuals or do to media distortion and exposure to reality is one of the best cures for it.) The cracks I usually see in the individual walls of hatred are these. 1. Compassion from the people they thought hated them 2. Exposure to the positive truth of people different from themselves 3. Seeing the cruelty and hypocrisy of those who they thought were their ideological allies None of which is to say there are not horrible people out there, but in the world of social conflict, if you want to be persuasive, then shunning people is not effective. That's a different battle than fighting for rights and resisting attacks, you often have to be harsh in those fights. I've done a bit of both, though more of the former because honestly, I'm not usually the target of the attacks, so I'm better positioned to be a persuader than a fighter most of the time. [/QUOTE]
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