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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sigfried" data-source="post: 9276988" data-attributes="member: 1798">If so, sorry, that happens sometimes.I can't be sure of what people mean unless they say what they mean.  The issue in the Facebook thread was people using terms like "Libtard" and "wokewarrior" as pejoratives.  I called that out as inappropriate and rude, but did not engage in an actual argument that their political beliefs were bad. I commend you for actually going to look at one of these instances. It's much better than a bunch of speculation.  I think you are pretty finely parsing my statements though. I wrote those things trying to find an argument that might be appealing to the person I was talking to, something they could find understandable. I failed at that and they proved to simply be hateful and belligerent so they got the boot.You like what I'm arguing for (including the pronouns) but my arguments are not the same exact arguments you might make. I'm not clear if you are trying to question my motives, or chiding me for not arguing in a specific way, or both.  No I didn't.  That would have zero chance of putting that argument to rest. In fact, it would be likely to agitate the guy and cause problems on the kickstarter, which is the opposite of what most moderators are trying to achieve.  You don't see Morrus swooping in to argue with people as a moderator. He warns about the behavior, then he boots them, he doesn't generally give them a civics lesson. I have the additional need to explain myself as a game designer to the fans.  I did that, then I acted as a moderator and got him kicked out to never darken our doorstep again.  A lecture is superfluous at that point.I did put that on the character sheet so that people, be they trans or not, could use it. There are many reasons. Being inclusive of trans people is not the only reason to do it. Non trans people may want to play trans or gender neutral characters also. We do have robots and aliens who may have wildly different sexual identities etc...  It is a relatively popular and increasingly standard thing to do. I often add elements to our game that people request of me, or that I see in the industry and agree are good practices. I shard the reasoning that this person might be able to understand and agree with rather than the one reason he specifically didn't like.  It was an attempt to enlighten the man and to show that my motivations are not a political agenda, but an overall vision to serve our fans, all of them, which includes trans people. When you speak in public, you speak not only to your interocular but a wider audience as well.That would also be inclusive I think.  As is serving people who want these things. I try to make the game serve as many people as possible, including both the wide range of players, but also the wide range of characters they may choose to play. Clearly it didn't please that guy, but he's proved a jerk so I kicked him.Both.  I didn't like him, but that's not quite enough.  You have to report people that break kickstarter's rules or they won't do the deed. So I always check that to see if I've got a case when I report someone. Complaining about pronouns probably isn't going to qualify, though if they do it rudely enough, they might cross the line. I was happy to have the man gone.  When you make a report you don't have the opportunity to really explain why, you just have to hope the Kickstarter admins agree with the category you choose. I probably reported more posts than got removed, but I'm not certain. It often takes a few posts before they ban someone.What I am feeling from you is "Sig, you were not sufficient in your arguments. You need to say things like "this" so that I can believe you are not compromising your anti-bigotry values for commerce." Its sort of like tone police but in reverse, where I'm not sufficiently aggressive. Maybe.  I think there is a difference between. "I have a friend who is black" and "My CTO and Community Manager are trans and my lead game designer is non-binary and I include LGBTQ+ characters and minorities prominently in our games. Oh, and I'm black."But you can judge it as you like.  I'm telling you is my first hand experience from working in the company. What you make of it is what you make of it. You don't know me well, so its hard for you to judge how earnest I am. I get that. But unless you really want to get to know me, why do you care? I do like making new friend though, so if you ever want to just chat about it, I'm happy to.  (<a href="mailto:sigfried@gmail.com">sigfried@gmail.com</a>)Well, since you bring those things up, I can talk about that too.  A lot of folks are like "why didn't you say X" but there is a ton I can talk about. I go with what I'm thinking and sometimes that's not what people want to hear.  But you ask, I will try to answer."not one word to say that he made any sort of concerted effort to not misgender people"Everyone at the company does that, and everyone makes mistakes occasionally. I've seen trans folks misgender each-other on a few occasions. Social change and habits, especially with a language that is fairly steeped in gender specificity can be challenging. We get it right a lot more than we get it wrong, but folks make errors sometimes.  I never counted how many times any given staff member misgendered anyone. Its not exactly common, but its far from rare, especially when folks use They/Them. I certainly try to get it correct as I know and like quite a few trans and non-binary people.  I can't totally speak for Dave there but I've never heard him complain and often heard him correct himself."that when he did misgender someone, it was an honest mistake."I swim in pretty liberal circles so I've never encountered anyone outside of on the internet who intentionally misgenders people.  Thus, its not something I naturally consider. I can say with a fair bit of confidence no one at EGG has ever intentionally misgendered anyone on staff, or anyone outside it, or any fictional character in our game.Perhaps, though I tend to think when I don't speak carefully in a situation like this, anything I don't say tends to get taken as some secret agenda. (for example: the two things above you call me out for not addressing.)My experience is its a bit better to be verbose than to let people make assumptions about what you didn't address.  When I speak in person, its easier to put a nice casual tone in my voice which helps me sound less like "professor Sig"I feel like I'm being challenged on my liberal bona fides here...  Why not.You can see me debate for trans service in the military here[MEDIA=youtube]id=lQISIwhS4NM;list=PLtDt-tvu9MrzKc0mZ3NQKHBDlVKkdVuyo;t=11[/MEDIA] You can watch me vote in the 2020 presidential election here[MEDIA=youtube]UC6FeMhDX-s:275[/MEDIA] I've no idea if anyone finds that persuasive or interesting, but there it is. Its not something I hide.If its just that you don't like my style of engagement, fair enough.  We all have our own part to play in fighting bigotry.  A friend of mine once dubbed me "The idiot whisperer" because I can find a connection with people and get them to listen instead of them shouting and ranting.</blockquote>

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