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<blockquote data-quote="sigfried" data-source="post: 9277798" data-attributes="member: 1798">I agree.&nbsp; But I also think there is a difference between voting republican and being a KKK member or being a conservative and being a Nazi.&nbsp; I know you are using that to illustrate a principle, and I agree with the principle, but in practice not everyone you will encounter is the same. There are levels of bigotry from the unconscious programming of living in a patriarchal and colonializing society to very personal animosity and violent hatred. I'm a very tolerant and forgiving person who's interested in helping other people grow and become more moral and kind. That's me, its not me saying everyone needs to be like me.&nbsp; But it is something I do and care about so I'm open to some people who there people might not be open to. And I'm not judging that closing off such people is wrong or bad. Its often the right choice for others, but its not always the right choice for me.When you have a lot of people in any given cause or movement, they don't all need to be perusing it in the same way.&nbsp; Some folks can be the sword, and others the shield. Some can be the negotiators, and some can be the disciplinarians. I feel like everyone's trying to tell me exactly how I need to pursue my moral beliefs. You are welcome to do it, but I don't know you folks well enough to really be persuaded.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="sigfried, post: 9277798, member: 1798"] I agree. But I also think there is a difference between voting republican and being a KKK member or being a conservative and being a Nazi. I know you are using that to illustrate a principle, and I agree with the principle, but in practice not everyone you will encounter is the same. There are levels of bigotry from the unconscious programming of living in a patriarchal and colonializing society to very personal animosity and violent hatred. I'm a very tolerant and forgiving person who's interested in helping other people grow and become more moral and kind. That's me, its not me saying everyone needs to be like me. But it is something I do and care about so I'm open to some people who there people might not be open to. And I'm not judging that closing off such people is wrong or bad. Its often the right choice for others, but its not always the right choice for me. When you have a lot of people in any given cause or movement, they don't all need to be perusing it in the same way. Some folks can be the sword, and others the shield. Some can be the negotiators, and some can be the disciplinarians. I feel like everyone's trying to tell me exactly how I need to pursue my moral beliefs. You are welcome to do it, but I don't know you folks well enough to really be persuaded. [/QUOTE]

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