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<blockquote data-quote="Urbannen" data-source="post: 1231010" data-attributes="member: 7643">Some people say that the rogue class is needed/good.&nbsp; However, do you know anyone that plays a straight-classed rogue?&nbsp; Everyone I've seen just uses the rogue class to enhance their fighter's skills and damage or else they go into a PrC by 6th level.&nbsp; The rogue has too few HPs to be a decent swashbuckler without fighter levels.If the rogues skills are actually useful in the game, it usually means that the party HAS to have a +12 Sense Motive check in the group or they can't figure out what's going on, or they HAVE to be able to remove a DC 32 trap.&nbsp; Usually if the rogue's skills are necessary, it means that the skills are the only way around a problem.&nbsp; One way around a problem + rogue rolling a 1 = frustrated party.&nbsp; The fact that a rogue is a good scout is of limited interest, since generally only the rogue can do it.&nbsp; Once a rogue starts scouting, he becomes a solo player while everyone else looks on.&nbsp; Sometimes it would be good if a group could use stealth to avoid a problem, but since only the rogue can do it, it isn't really a choice at all.&nbsp; I've noticed that players who are divas tend to choose rogue because they get to do a lot of things by themselves while everybody else waits.&nbsp; It's really better to create an adventure in which rogues aren't necessary because it allows the entire group to participate more of the time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Urbannen, post: 1231010, member: 7643"] Some people say that the rogue class is needed/good. However, do you know anyone that plays a straight-classed rogue? Everyone I've seen just uses the rogue class to enhance their fighter's skills and damage or else they go into a PrC by 6th level. The rogue has too few HPs to be a decent swashbuckler without fighter levels. If the rogues skills are actually useful in the game, it usually means that the party HAS to have a +12 Sense Motive check in the group or they can't figure out what's going on, or they HAVE to be able to remove a DC 32 trap. Usually if the rogue's skills are necessary, it means that the skills are the only way around a problem. One way around a problem + rogue rolling a 1 = frustrated party. The fact that a rogue is a good scout is of limited interest, since generally only the rogue can do it. Once a rogue starts scouting, he becomes a solo player while everyone else looks on. Sometimes it would be good if a group could use stealth to avoid a problem, but since only the rogue can do it, it isn't really a choice at all. I've noticed that players who are divas tend to choose rogue because they get to do a lot of things by themselves while everybody else waits. It's really better to create an adventure in which rogues aren't necessary because it allows the entire group to participate more of the time. [/QUOTE]

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