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<blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 1273485" data-attributes="member: 3146">My take: rogues are very handy guys to have around. If you want to find traps, you'll probably need a rogue. Only after you find the traps is it usually possible to deal with them in the suboptimal ways that Wizardru describes. (And Find Traps is not generally practical although it might work for a mystic theurge with a high int and crossclass ranks in search).Especially in 3.5 where invisibility has the paltry duration of 1 min/level, any kind of extended scouting will require either a rogue or a wand of invisibility.Rogues also have a lot of skills--which is quite useful. If you want someone good at lying or detecting lies, a rogue can fill that role. (A bard can too but you don't necessarily have a bard; a paladin can fill one role and a sorceror the other as well but neither can combine the two effectively).If you want a tactical fighter who relies upon your tactical finesse and positioning a rogue can be devastatingly effective in that role. (Not so much against things immune to sneak attacks but you should fight things that aren't immune to sneak attacks on a regular basis too).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Elder-Basilisk, post: 1273485, member: 3146"] My take: rogues are very handy guys to have around. If you want to find traps, you'll probably need a rogue. Only after you find the traps is it usually possible to deal with them in the suboptimal ways that Wizardru describes. (And Find Traps is not generally practical although it might work for a mystic theurge with a high int and crossclass ranks in search). Especially in 3.5 where invisibility has the paltry duration of 1 min/level, any kind of extended scouting will require either a rogue or a wand of invisibility. Rogues also have a lot of skills--which is quite useful. If you want someone good at lying or detecting lies, a rogue can fill that role. (A bard can too but you don't necessarily have a bard; a paladin can fill one role and a sorceror the other as well but neither can combine the two effectively). If you want a tactical fighter who relies upon your tactical finesse and positioning a rogue can be devastatingly effective in that role. (Not so much against things immune to sneak attacks but you should fight things that aren't immune to sneak attacks on a regular basis too). [/QUOTE]

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