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<blockquote data-quote="pukunui" data-source="post: 8398975" data-attributes="member: 54629"><p>According to both <em>Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes </em>and <em>Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus</em>, she was a "mighty angel" but that doesn't make her the equal/counterpart of Orcus or Levistus. I would probably put her on the same level as a pit fiend. After she fell, she was then elevated to the position of an archdevil when she took over Avernus.</p><p></p><p>Nevertheless, I feel my point stands: even if D&D has had archangels / angelic princes in the past, they are virtually unheard of today. They don't play a big part in the grand scheme of the multiverse, like the demon princes and archdevils (and even the princes of elemental evil) do.</p><p></p><p>I think the closest thing we've had in recent times were 4e's exarchs, some of whom were classed as lesser deities or demigods in previous editions. All of them were servants of the gods, however, and I'd be willing to bet that any other named archangels / angelic princes in D&D's history are as well. I would therefore not class them as being on an equal footing to the demon princes and archdevils, none of whom explicitly serve any of the evil deities. In the FR cosmology, Juiblex isn't a servant of Moander any more than Orcus is a servant of Myrkul.</p><p></p><p>In fact, gods like Myrkul and Bhaal and Bane are just as likely to have angels / archons / celestials as servants as the good gods are. </p><p></p><p>So there's <em>still</em> more doubling up of the bad guys really.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pukunui, post: 8398975, member: 54629"] According to both [I]Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes [/I]and [I]Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus[/I], she was a "mighty angel" but that doesn't make her the equal/counterpart of Orcus or Levistus. I would probably put her on the same level as a pit fiend. After she fell, she was then elevated to the position of an archdevil when she took over Avernus. Nevertheless, I feel my point stands: even if D&D has had archangels / angelic princes in the past, they are virtually unheard of today. They don't play a big part in the grand scheme of the multiverse, like the demon princes and archdevils (and even the princes of elemental evil) do. I think the closest thing we've had in recent times were 4e's exarchs, some of whom were classed as lesser deities or demigods in previous editions. All of them were servants of the gods, however, and I'd be willing to bet that any other named archangels / angelic princes in D&D's history are as well. I would therefore not class them as being on an equal footing to the demon princes and archdevils, none of whom explicitly serve any of the evil deities. In the FR cosmology, Juiblex isn't a servant of Moander any more than Orcus is a servant of Myrkul. In fact, gods like Myrkul and Bhaal and Bane are just as likely to have angels / archons / celestials as servants as the good gods are. So there's [I]still[/I] more doubling up of the bad guys really. [/QUOTE]
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