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<blockquote data-quote="pukunui" data-source="post: 8399002" data-attributes="member: 54629">We don't have stats for her as an angel, so we don't really know what she was before becoming an archdevil. That said, she's not identified as &quot;Zariel, Angel Prince of Mt Celestia&quot; or anything like that. She's just &quot;Zariel, an angel&quot;. Sometimes a &quot;mighty angel&quot;, sometimes just &quot;an angel&quot;. I would not put her angelic form on even footing with Orcus or Levistus.He stole his divinity during the 4e upheavals (at least in FR). He's certainly a bit of an exception to the rule, as it were.I guess I'm still thinking in terms of the 4e cosmology, where angels weren't necessarily good, and all gods had angelic servants.I'm not really pushing for &quot;cosmic imbalance&quot; so much as I'm proclaiming gods of murder and tyranny to be both nonsensical and redundant and therefore unnecessary. I think my question of why they exist in D&amp;D has primarily been answered, though, and I shall feel no qualms about expunging them from my own homebrew cosmology.Thanks for confirming my suspicion that the irredeemably evil deities of murder and tyranny and the like in D&amp;D are largely there to fill a gap in the mechanics, as it were, and aren't really supported by (m)any real world belief systems.You're welcome!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pukunui, post: 8399002, member: 54629"] We don't have stats for her as an angel, so we don't really know what she was before becoming an archdevil. That said, she's not identified as "Zariel, Angel Prince of Mt Celestia" or anything like that. She's just "Zariel, an angel". Sometimes a "mighty angel", sometimes just "an angel". I would not put her angelic form on even footing with Orcus or Levistus. He stole his divinity during the 4e upheavals (at least in FR). He's certainly a bit of an exception to the rule, as it were. I guess I'm still thinking in terms of the 4e cosmology, where angels weren't necessarily good, and all gods had angelic servants. I'm not really pushing for "cosmic imbalance" so much as I'm proclaiming gods of murder and tyranny to be both nonsensical and redundant and therefore unnecessary. I think my question of why they exist in D&D has primarily been answered, though, and I shall feel no qualms about expunging them from my own homebrew cosmology. Thanks for confirming my suspicion that the irredeemably evil deities of murder and tyranny and the like in D&D are largely there to fill a gap in the mechanics, as it were, and aren't really supported by (m)any real world belief systems. You're welcome! [/QUOTE]

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