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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8402280" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Sure, but until you provide any reasoning that I'm wrong, I have no reason to change my opinion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Um... no, he didn't. Some choice quotes from the Wiki</p><p></p><p>"<em>Nerull is the patron deity of those who seek the greatest evil for their own enjoyment or gain.</em>"</p><p></p><p>"<em>Named clerics of</em><strong><em> <strong>He Who Revels in the Slaying of the Living</strong></em></strong>..."</p><p></p><p>"<em>Nerull's faithful believe they will be rewarded for acts of murder, <strong>for every living thing is an abomination in the eyes of the Reaper.</strong></em> "</p><p></p><p>This is not a being who cares about the cycle of life and death, this is a being that wants to kill all life. It is literally one of his titles: "Hater of Life". I don't know where you are getting this more neutral "cares about the cycle" Nerull from, but it is certainly not from the traditional sources on him. The only difference seems to be that Nerull would destroy all the undead after he was finished killing all life, instead of ruling the undead like Orcus would.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, I know that the game is setting us up to say that evil gods = evil clerics. But that ignores a few things. Like, for example, the fact that a Church can have Celestial Pact warlocks and Divine Soul Sorcerers, so those enemies make sense in both places. If we look towards tradition, and to the Cult Fanatic statblock, we see that clerics are not unheard of among cults to demon princes and archdevils. Heck, at certain points, those beings were gods. We also have Blackguards and Hell Knights. The Oath of Conquest in DnD 5e specifically states that it is the Oath of Hell Knights who work for The Nine Hells and the Archdevils. </p><p></p><p>And the locations are equally variable. I could have a fight against the Church of Shar in a desert ruin as easily as I could have a fight against the Followers of Graz'zt in a fortified building in a major city. </p><p></p><p>So, no. I don't think that we can conclusively break these enemies into Warlocks and Sorcerers vs Clerics and Paladins. Both make perfect sense in both places, and have been used in both places. I will say though that having Evil Gods served by Demons and Devils does make things more confusing, and they often are served by them, because it again and again raises the questions "Why do Devils, known for unserving loyalty to the Nine Hells, serve beings who are not part of the Nine Hells?"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8402280, member: 6801228"] Sure, but until you provide any reasoning that I'm wrong, I have no reason to change my opinion. Um... no, he didn't. Some choice quotes from the Wiki "[I]Nerull is the patron deity of those who seek the greatest evil for their own enjoyment or gain.[/I]" "[I]Named clerics of[/I][B][I] [B]He Who Revels in the Slaying of the Living[/B][/I][/B]..." "[I]Nerull's faithful believe they will be rewarded for acts of murder, [B]for every living thing is an abomination in the eyes of the Reaper.[/B][/I][B] [/B]" This is not a being who cares about the cycle of life and death, this is a being that wants to kill all life. It is literally one of his titles: "Hater of Life". I don't know where you are getting this more neutral "cares about the cycle" Nerull from, but it is certainly not from the traditional sources on him. The only difference seems to be that Nerull would destroy all the undead after he was finished killing all life, instead of ruling the undead like Orcus would. Again, I know that the game is setting us up to say that evil gods = evil clerics. But that ignores a few things. Like, for example, the fact that a Church can have Celestial Pact warlocks and Divine Soul Sorcerers, so those enemies make sense in both places. If we look towards tradition, and to the Cult Fanatic statblock, we see that clerics are not unheard of among cults to demon princes and archdevils. Heck, at certain points, those beings were gods. We also have Blackguards and Hell Knights. The Oath of Conquest in DnD 5e specifically states that it is the Oath of Hell Knights who work for The Nine Hells and the Archdevils. And the locations are equally variable. I could have a fight against the Church of Shar in a desert ruin as easily as I could have a fight against the Followers of Graz'zt in a fortified building in a major city. So, no. I don't think that we can conclusively break these enemies into Warlocks and Sorcerers vs Clerics and Paladins. Both make perfect sense in both places, and have been used in both places. I will say though that having Evil Gods served by Demons and Devils does make things more confusing, and they often are served by them, because it again and again raises the questions "Why do Devils, known for unserving loyalty to the Nine Hells, serve beings who are not part of the Nine Hells?" [/QUOTE]
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