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<blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8403947" data-attributes="member: 6915329"><p>Well, two and a half worlds, that is, because Bane is a god on Exandria <em>and </em>he was/is a god in Ravenloft (eventually changing his name to The Lawgiver when Ravenloft was put out was S&S). Of course, that could be just the Dark Powers messing around and Bane may never have gotten any benefits from his worshipers there.</p><p></p><p>But anyway. I think it's been said elsewhere ITT that in earlier editions at least, gods count grant higher-level spells than demon lords and other such demi-powers. While that's no longer the case, it's definitely possible that gods have powers that demon lords don't have. I have no idea if this is supported anywhere, but I'd say that a full-fledged god should have semi-omniscience. Like, if there's a consecrated temple to the god in the area, then the god can, if it chooses, see anything it wants to in that area. And "area" could be continent, world, or even entire solar system (using the Spelljammer notion that gods could only give spells to clerics if they were worshiped in that particular sphere). But an arch-fiend can maybe only see things through the eyes of its worshipers or the "eyes" of any idols, magic mirrors, or whatever that are consecrated to it. </p><p></p><p>So in this way, Bane may only have two and a half worlds officially under his belt, but he can see anything on those worlds. Bane would have nearly complete awareness of at least all of Faerun, if not the entirety of Toril or Realmspace. Whereas Asmodeus has a presence on countless worlds but is only aware of what happens in tiny slivers of them.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Whether or not you want to use my idea, there's still pride. Would a <em>god</em>, especially one with Bane's portfolio, be willing to admit that Asmodeus is tougher than he is? If Bane strikes at Asmodeus on one world and wins, then As can pull resources from countless other worlds (which could possibly include most or all tieflings). If he loses, then he'd have to admit that some upstart little archdevil is stronger than him. (Plus, you <em>know </em>that As has tons of contingencies in play for just such a threat.)</p><p></p><p>Going against Asmodeus would <em>also </em>turn other Archdevils and Demon Lords against him, <em>and </em>possibly other gods as well. Bane could probably easily kill As, but can he kill all the other archfiends that will unite against him?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Faolyn, post: 8403947, member: 6915329"] Well, two and a half worlds, that is, because Bane is a god on Exandria [I]and [/I]he was/is a god in Ravenloft (eventually changing his name to The Lawgiver when Ravenloft was put out was S&S). Of course, that could be just the Dark Powers messing around and Bane may never have gotten any benefits from his worshipers there. But anyway. I think it's been said elsewhere ITT that in earlier editions at least, gods count grant higher-level spells than demon lords and other such demi-powers. While that's no longer the case, it's definitely possible that gods have powers that demon lords don't have. I have no idea if this is supported anywhere, but I'd say that a full-fledged god should have semi-omniscience. Like, if there's a consecrated temple to the god in the area, then the god can, if it chooses, see anything it wants to in that area. And "area" could be continent, world, or even entire solar system (using the Spelljammer notion that gods could only give spells to clerics if they were worshiped in that particular sphere). But an arch-fiend can maybe only see things through the eyes of its worshipers or the "eyes" of any idols, magic mirrors, or whatever that are consecrated to it. So in this way, Bane may only have two and a half worlds officially under his belt, but he can see anything on those worlds. Bane would have nearly complete awareness of at least all of Faerun, if not the entirety of Toril or Realmspace. Whereas Asmodeus has a presence on countless worlds but is only aware of what happens in tiny slivers of them. Whether or not you want to use my idea, there's still pride. Would a [I]god[/I], especially one with Bane's portfolio, be willing to admit that Asmodeus is tougher than he is? If Bane strikes at Asmodeus on one world and wins, then As can pull resources from countless other worlds (which could possibly include most or all tieflings). If he loses, then he'd have to admit that some upstart little archdevil is stronger than him. (Plus, you [I]know [/I]that As has tons of contingencies in play for just such a threat.) Going against Asmodeus would [I]also [/I]turn other Archdevils and Demon Lords against him, [I]and [/I]possibly other gods as well. Bane could probably easily kill As, but can he kill all the other archfiends that will unite against him? [/QUOTE]
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