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<blockquote data-quote="Kinematics" data-source="post: 8404020" data-attributes="member: 6932123"><p>You might want to look up the more common usage for that acronym before jumping on it, because it tends to suggest things <em>very</em> different than Cthulhu and buddies.</p><p></p><p>--</p><p></p><p>Also, while not having read the entire thread, my take on 'evil' gods (and gods in general) is that their domain is more a function of what grants them power, rather than what they do. So a god of murder doesn't go around murdering people; rather, he gains power from his followers committing murder in his name. (Or for more abstract concepts, the worship involved, such as sailors praying for protection from the sea during a voyage.)</p><p></p><p>Thus, it's not that the world "needs" a god of murder, but rather that murder is otherwise an untapped power source that a proto-god could latch onto, and, given enough followers and murder, become powerful enough to be considered a proper god (grant divine magic and favors, etc). It's a proto-god finding an evolutionary niche and filling it.</p><p></p><p>Someone on the first page already mentioned that demons don't gain power from worship, but that gods do. A demon that embodies murder isn't filling that evolutionary niche, because it isn't drawing power from the worshippers of that concept. So it's not an overlap of duties, it's two entirely separate concepts that happen to look similar from the mortal view.</p><p></p><p>Also also, the god of murder may not like the demon of murder to go around murdering people (or getting its followers to murder people) because all of that is a waste of resources, from the god's point of view. All of that murder <em>could</em> have been used to power up the god, after all. There's also no particular requirement for gods to have any specific desires or goals. Maybe the god of murder likes to build empires because it's entertaining, and backstabbing fights for the throne happen to align with his domain. So what he struggles with or fights for varies based on your particular interpretation.</p><p></p><p>This also leads to a reframing of whether a god is "good" or "evil". The god just wants the worshipful action for its own gain. However murder is viewed as evil by most people, and thus the god is viewed as evil because it promotes those actions. However the god might view it more like the actions of a gamer playing a war sim. Sure, technically you caused all those deaths, but they just get respawned in a bit via the god of death, so who cares, really? This depends on how abstracted the god is from its followers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kinematics, post: 8404020, member: 6932123"] You might want to look up the more common usage for that acronym before jumping on it, because it tends to suggest things [I]very[/I] different than Cthulhu and buddies. -- Also, while not having read the entire thread, my take on 'evil' gods (and gods in general) is that their domain is more a function of what grants them power, rather than what they do. So a god of murder doesn't go around murdering people; rather, he gains power from his followers committing murder in his name. (Or for more abstract concepts, the worship involved, such as sailors praying for protection from the sea during a voyage.) Thus, it's not that the world "needs" a god of murder, but rather that murder is otherwise an untapped power source that a proto-god could latch onto, and, given enough followers and murder, become powerful enough to be considered a proper god (grant divine magic and favors, etc). It's a proto-god finding an evolutionary niche and filling it. Someone on the first page already mentioned that demons don't gain power from worship, but that gods do. A demon that embodies murder isn't filling that evolutionary niche, because it isn't drawing power from the worshippers of that concept. So it's not an overlap of duties, it's two entirely separate concepts that happen to look similar from the mortal view. Also also, the god of murder may not like the demon of murder to go around murdering people (or getting its followers to murder people) because all of that is a waste of resources, from the god's point of view. All of that murder [i]could[/i] have been used to power up the god, after all. There's also no particular requirement for gods to have any specific desires or goals. Maybe the god of murder likes to build empires because it's entertaining, and backstabbing fights for the throne happen to align with his domain. So what he struggles with or fights for varies based on your particular interpretation. This also leads to a reframing of whether a god is "good" or "evil". The god just wants the worshipful action for its own gain. However murder is viewed as evil by most people, and thus the god is viewed as evil because it promotes those actions. However the god might view it more like the actions of a gamer playing a war sim. Sure, technically you caused all those deaths, but they just get respawned in a bit via the god of death, so who cares, really? This depends on how abstracted the god is from its followers. [/QUOTE]
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