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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8404795" data-attributes="member: 6801228">But to an extent this is like saying “if 5e had Shamans, then Druids that commune with nature spirits instead of nature gods would be shamans, not druids”. You can’t erase the past by saying that if they had had different tools things would have been different. They did have clerics, and whether that was because it was the best tool the designers had or because they actually wanted to use clerics is rather irrelevant to that.Especially since Celestial Warlocks mean that some of the good priests and kind clerics would have been warlocks too.This is not a big difference. Kings are “Commander-in-chiefs” the General’s serve the king and the King is also the highest ranked general. Perhaps not the most skilled, but King’s led armies all the time.You might have a point in that Asmodeus is less interested in conquering through military might, but that is in part because the bulk of his military might is being spent trying to conquer the Abyss. He is doing what Bane is doing, he is just also focusing on other things.</blockquote>