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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8404857" data-attributes="member: 6801228">So, exactly what I said. Other than prior editions saying that Asmodeus isn't allowed to use his actual resources on a prime plane, the only evidence is that he would have done it already. Which he absolutely could have been doing on Primes that are not highlighted in DnD.Well, I don't own it, so I was going off of what Helldritch was describing.But my point was comparing a famous and powerful Archdevil (Asmodeus) to Bane, who is a god with a highly similar goal to that of the Nine Hells. I didn't even realize that Asmodeus was a god outside of 4e, because one of the most complained about things was that they made him a god. But if he always has been a god, then that seems to have been a moot point to complain about his "sudden divinity"Additionally, it really raises questions about how big a divide there is between these forces, if being an Archdevil and a God doesn't seem to change Asmodeus's power and influence at all.Because it seems that the only differences between Gods and Fiends are power and the ability to make clerics. Well, in every edition before 4e Demon Lords and Archdevils could create clerics. In 5e we can potentially have the same from the worship of philosophies. And those demon lords and archdevils are incredibly powerful, easily as powerful as gods if we consider them multiversal powers. So, if there are no differences between them, then they are more likely to be the same.Is this a serious argument, or are you acting like you nothing about Asmodeus?So, he is tyrannical everywhere except Toril? Toril is his vacation spot?I was told that his divinity was gained in 4e and lost at the end of that edition. I never bothered to look into whether or not he was still a god for some bizarre reason. Except their multiversal cults that worship them. In a near infinite number of planes. So, is a near infinite number of mortal worshippers "many"? I mean, they do literally have cults that worship them, official in 5e and everything.</blockquote>

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