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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8404889" data-attributes="member: 23751">You've given him the ability to be infinitely aware, so with infinite resources he could take over the infinite Primes all at once, right?  Except he can't, because even if it was possible for him to launch that many devils onto the prime, he'd end up dead before he got halfway through even a single Prime plane.  The gods wouldn't play around.Not really.  I didn't see what he described directly, but what you said he said was, "he said that PP (I'm assuming power points) allowed Immortals to act in a location."  A location.  Singular.  And from that you wildly assumed that one location with power points somehow meant infinite locations all at once with infinite power points, which isn't anything anyone who knew about the Immortals set would have come anywhere close to saying.Okay.  Well, he's still a god and his portfolio is indulgence.The difference between an Archdevil and a god is personal power.  The god would trounce the Archdevil unless it was weakened severely somehow.If by every edition before 4th you meant no editions, you would be correct.  Archdevils have never been able to make clerics.  I think you got confused by the earlier in the thread revelation that there could be clerics of Asmodeus with up to 2nd level spells.  Asmodeus literally had nothing whatsoever to do with that and would never have been aware that he had any clerics unless the clerics somehow got word to him and let him know.  In 1e and 2e a person's faith alone gave him the first two levels of spells.  If Farmer Stan had enough faith in his rutabaga, he'd gain 1st and 2nd level cleric spells.No.  They are not.  They don't derive power in the same way that gods do.  Pretty much.  If he had gone tyranny, he wouldn't be a god there.  He opted for more power and a different portfolio on Toril.Which is completely irrelevant.  Gods have different power levels on different planes, depending on the number of local worshippers.  A devil with 1000 followers on an infinite number of planes isn't even remotely close enough to being a god on even one of them, whereas a god with 10 million on one plane is probably a greater god.This fundamental lack of understanding is probably why you think Archdevils are close to gods in power when they never have been. Well, they've been close to being demigods, but that's about it.No it's not "many" as they are spread around and they derive not enough local power from their small cults.</blockquote>

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