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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8404985" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Sure, I'm not against any of this. Though, I would say, that if we are considering Archfiends to be in a near infinite number of planes, even if they only have one or two clerics per plane, they still can create far more than a god can. What is bizarre about how this discussion is starting to turn is that people started from the premise that the gods are stronger, but it seems that is continually being proven not true. The Fiends are simply stretched thinner, making the gods appear stronger, which then removes the impetus to have evil gods, because it seems they aren't actually doing anything that unique.Same, which is again why I said I wasn't going to discuss Exandria much. I do like that bit of lore though, because while those beings could have more warlocks, they very certainly have clerics, and this shows that at least in Exandria, granting clerical powers is not limited to gods. Which, rolls us right back around to "what is the practical difference?"Possibly, so then the question is, does Godhood become just a title, while the essence and power of the title holder does not change? Or is this something else?Very much agree. That would be AWESOME. But, I'm more than certain I'd be unhappy with the final product. WoTC doesn't seem to do scaling well.See, I don't disagree with this. I do agree that Jazirian likely loses a head on fight, with how DnD handles things. But does that make him less powerful? And, Asmodeus is also very very good in a fight. Just for an example, Zargon the Returner is a GOO that the gods couldn't defeat, so Asmodeus came to the Prime and beat him and sealed him.If Bane got Asmodeus in a sword fight, he'd likely win, but that isn't how I imagine that fight actually going down. But I do agree that they are both being thwarted by others, it is just the scale that they seem to operating at that makes the difference.As I mentioned, the idea of "sin" in DnD is a bit nonsensical to me. And sure, they could be allied, with both planning on betraying the other, but I think the other idea highlights the issue. If one of the logical reasons Asmodeus hasn't killed Bane is because he is too busy with other threats and other conquests, how can we say that Bane is obviously the stronger? Remember, then question we have been trying to tackle is "what is the role of evil gods"? And the most common answers have been "evil gods are stronger" and "evil gods make clerics". If Asmodeus can make clerics, and can be logically considered powerful enough that he just hasn't bothered to kill a god... then neither of those points actually support the existence of Evil Gods.</blockquote>

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